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[L00b 441]

14 minutes ago, West 77 said:

No problems for the UK negotiating with the weak EU who kept giving Article 50 extensions and changed the withdrawal agreement after continually stating it wouldn't be amended.

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[L00b 441]

4 minutes ago, HeyBrother said:

As I said - I’m not suggesting it won’t be disruptive - or that it’s a good idea.

 

people won’t starve though. 

And as I said (well, suggested) people are starving *now*, before *any* level of disruption has occurred whatsoever. What consequences any level of disruption then?

 

Maybe check out current levels of food poverty, and growth in food bank numbers and usage, in the UK. Meant as a suggestion, not a sarky comeback.

 

Not that it matters anyway. Not with negotiations still backtracking by the day, and substantially less than 4 months to go. Unless Boris manages another uturny 'win' at the 11th hour, of course.

[HeyBrother 0]

2 minutes ago, L00b said:

And as I said (well, suggested) people are starving *now*, before *any* level of disruption has occurred whatsoever. What consequences any level of disruption then?

 

Maybe check out current levels of food poverty, and growth in food bank numbers and usage, in the UK. Meant as a suggestion, not a sarky comeback.

 

Not that it matters anyway. Not with negotiations still backtracking by the day, and substantially less than 4 months to go. Unless Boris manages another uturny 'win' at the 11th hour, of course.

The requirement for people to use food banks is a disgrace that could be remedied regardless of the exit from the EU - so I agree that needs to be resolved in any circumstance.

[Magilla 510]

30 minutes ago, West 77 said:

No problems for the UK negotiating with the weak EU who kept giving Article 50 extensions and changed the withdrawal agreement after continually stating it wouldn't be amended.

LOL, how does the UK going cap in hand for an extension, then consenting to their original WA (that May rejected and Boris said no UK PM could ever sign) make them weak?

 

 

[Longcol 604]

1 hour ago, West 77 said:

 

No problems for the UK negotiating with the weak EU who kept giving Article 50 extensions and changed the withdrawal agreement after continually stating it wouldn't be amended

Lol  - extensions In the increasingly vain hope that the UK would come up with something more realistic than the UK wanting all the advantages of membership without any of the oblligations. 

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9 minutes ago, West 77 said:

You're trying to rewrite history again.  It was a bunch of rogue MPs  who forced two Prime Ministers who had a minority Government to ask for an extension.

When you have a negoiation, no one knows which person/party is blocking things going forward, but it seems that even when the Government have a stonking majority, it is still failing to agree.

So maybe the faul lies else where. Personally I think what people voted for cannot be delivered.

How are the two partys negoiating meant to agree, when even now we dont know what 'we' want.

[Magilla 510]

4 hours ago, West 77 said:

You're trying to rewrite history again.

Given your "Cameron said Brexit would lead to WW3" claim there really is no need, your version of history didn't happen anywhere except in your head.

 

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It was a bunch of rogue MPs  who forced two Prime Ministers who had a minority Government to ask for an extension. If the EU had been strong and had any credibility no extension would have been given and the default no-deal would have been implemented.

Nonsensical babble.

 

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Boris had his hands tied behind his back when he negotiated amendments to the original WA that go rid of the backstop.  The difference now is Boris has an eighty seat majority with MPs who all who support leaving the EU.

Boris didn't negotiate anything!

 

The WA he signed was the original one that the EU wanted, the one he originally voted against and claimed no UK PM could ever sign.

Edited September 1, 2020 by Magilla

[L00b 441]

3 hours ago, West 77 said:

You're trying to rewrite history again.  It was a bunch of rogue MPs  who forced two Prime Ministers who had a minority Government to ask for an extension. If the EU had been strong and had any credibility no extension would have been given and the default no-deal would have been implemented.  Boris had his hands tied behind his back when he negotiated amendments to the original WA that go rid of the backstop.  The difference now is Boris has an eighty seat majority with MPs who all who support leaving the EU.

You are conflating, very incorrectly,  'strength' with ill-will (the sort Leavers harbour for the EU, for reasons best known to themselves and their pupeteers). That is either a fundamental misunderstanding of the balance of power in play here, or a fundamental misunderstanding of how the EU handles its relations with actual and would-be commercial partners, or both.

 

Granting extensions were always in the EU27's best interests, each time the UK requested them, regardless of the UK's internal politics. It maintained the status quo to prevent wide-ranging disruptions so much within the EU27 as within the UK, it gave the EU27 more time to Brexit-proof themselves, and accessorily it kept the UK contributions coming in.

 

Just like the unilateral EU measures, that shall apply in case of no deal at year end (feel free to check them out amongst the EU's stakeholder notices), have all been drafted in and to the best interests of the EU27. That they would mitigate some of the worst aspects of the hardest of Brexits in the UK, is a feature, not a bug. The EU27 do remember that 48% did not vote to Leave and have observed UK polls over the last 4 years. 

 

There is little to no 'hate' for the UK within the EU27. Just acceptance of your political choice (from a very long date), risk-mitigating realism...and naked opportunism, of course. It's not because you're closing shop that the market will automatically shrink 😉

Edited September 1, 2020 by L00b

[Magilla 510]

9 minutes ago, West 77 said:

Someone else posted two links which backed up my statement regarding Cameron yesterday.

LOL... Both of which you obviously couldn't be bothered to read because they show that the WW3 reference came from Boris!

 

Altus' links back up my claim, not yours!

 

You were wrong then, just as your claims re: Boris' WA and the EU are also spectacularly wrong now!

 

 

Edited September 1, 2020 by Magilla

[L00b 441]

17 minutes ago, West 77 said:

Whatever.

Such erudition.

17 minutes ago, West 77 said:

Someone else posted two links which backed up my statement regarding Cameron yesterday. 

Did you bother to read them? Because they prove the opposite. Just saying.

17 minutes ago, West 77 said:

Boris did exactly what he said he would do which was to remove the backstop from the WA negotiated by Prime Minister May.  Removing the backstop enabled Boris to bring the ER Group on board.  The electorate supported what Boris achieved by giving him an eighty seat majority in last December's general election. There is little wonder why there are not many leave voters that have the patience to debate here when such nonsense and distortion of the real facts is posted here by remain voters with anti British agendas.

Johnson 'removed the backstop' by giving the NI Assembly a binding vote on the continuing applicability  of EU law in NI.  

 

Now, have you briefed yourself on RoI / NI geopolitics at any time in the last 4 years? I mean, enough to understand the likelihood of the NIA ever voting against that continuity, and thus bringing back a RoI/NI border?

17 minutes ago, West 77 said:

It really is time for remain voters to move on and accept they are in the minority and Brexit has happened.

It really is time for leave voters to quit their political victimhood act, and accept that they won and so have to make Brexit work for all aboard HMS UK.

Edited September 1, 2020 by L00b

[Magilla 510]

6 minutes ago, L00b said:

Did you bother to read them? Because they prove the opposite. Just saying.

Laughable isn't it!

 

When remainers claim leavers had no clue what they were voting for, along comes West77 to prove they still don't!

 

Wilful ignorance taken to the extreme, it's really saying something when you actually start believing your own lies!

Edited September 1, 2020 by Magilla

[L00b 441]

1 hour ago, Magilla said:

Laughable isn't it!

 

When remainers claim leavers had no clue what they were voting for, along comes West77 to prove they still don't!

 

Wilful ignorance taken to the extreme, it's really saying something when you actually start believing your own lies!

Just the Dunn Kruger effect in full flow, regretably typical of most people still arguing for a hard-type Brexit, in this day and age, after the <removed> of the last 4 years.

 

Clearly, some of them have yet to transition over to the 'valley of despair' stage 😏

Edited September 1, 2020 by nikki-red