melthebell   865 #505 Posted March 25, 2018 Discussions, on whatever subject, inevitably broaden, so long as it stays roughly on topic its all good.  It is worth putting "Russian meddling" in the context of western meddling, that obviously goes on, in the affairs of other parts of the world.  There is every possibility that this latest poisoning has nothing directly to do with Putin; superannuated Russian spies do often end up in underground gangland crime and rivalries and bump each other off. If it does turn out to be this then Theresa May and Boris Johnson are going to look like right berks.  Remember, for all the spouting off by the government about who did it, the Police didn't name any suspects. because in the realm of spying and spies and covert killings its hard to find any perpetrators, thats the whole point Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
catpus   10 #506 Posted March 25, 2018 Discussions, on whatever subject, inevitably broaden, so long as it stays roughly on topic its all good.  It is worth putting "Russian meddling" in the context of western meddling, that obviously goes on, in the affairs of other parts of the world.  There is every possibility that this latest poisoning has nothing directly to do with Putin; superannuated Russian spies do often end up in underground gangland crime and rivalries and bump each other off. If it does turn out to be this then Theresa May and Boris Johnson are going to look like right berks.  Remember, for all the spouting off by the government about who did it, the Police didn't name any suspects.  I concur Allan. They didn't name any suspects because they have none. This is not a ((carefully constructed)) drama, but hastily cobbled together kindergarten farce of unprecedented hubris leading us into conflict with the next Chemical event in Syria (Poison having already been supplied to the White Helmets as aid ready to be passed to the rebels.) which will result in a 'Duel of the Fates'- just one of the aggressive reactions to Putin's Nuclear- State of the Nation address of March the 1st...  Time is running out for the US Empire with its beloved Nuclear 1st strike capability gone bye bye - thus something had to be done Russia's Novichok Programme was destroyed in 2013 as verified by UN Watchdog inspectors, but America's weren't??  Q. Why is May trying to start WW3? A. Because Britain is broke, and the Arms Industry has massive pay offs.  This will not end well. Putin is not Saddam Husain. The Russians lost 17 MILLION people in the last war. I don't think Putin will be standing back for that to happen again.  May better be very careful what she wishes for. 1.5 million collateral damage innocent victims for the last LIE.. That Madeline Albright said was ''worth the price.''    .  Porton Down chemical weapons has been awarded an extra £48M this year I 've learned elsewhere. I also agree with those who fear this hype is to prepare the public for a nerve gas attack in Syria to justify a full on US/UK invasion and move on Iran. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
melthebell   865 #507 Posted March 25, 2018 I concur Allan. They didn't name any suspects because they have none. This is not a ((carefully constructed)) drama, but hastily cobbled together kindergarten farce of unprecedented hubris leading us into conflict with the next Chemical event in Syria (Poison having already been supplied to the White Helmets as aid ready to be passed to the rebels.) which will result in a 'Duel of the Fates'- just one of the aggressive reactions to Putin's Nuclear- State of the Nation address of March the 1st...  Time is running out for the US Empire with its beloved Nuclear 1st strike capability gone bye bye - thus something had to be done Russia's Novichok Programme was destroyed in 2013 as verified by UN Watchdog inspectors, but America's weren't??  Q. Why is May trying to start WW3? A. Because Britain is broke, and the Arms Industry has massive pay offs.  This will not end well. Putin is not Saddam Husain. The Russians lost 17 MILLION people in the last war. I don't think Putin will be standing back for that to happen again.  May better be very careful what she wishes for. 1.5 million collateral damage innocent victims for the last LIE.. That Madeline Albright said was ''worth the price.''    .  Porton Down chemical weapons has been awarded an extra £48M this year I 've learned elsewhere. I also agree with those who fear this hype is to prepare the public for a nerve gas attack in Syria to justify a full on US/UK invasion and move on Iran.  sigh, so much crap with that post i dont even know where to start Oo Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
chalga   10 #508 Posted March 25, 2018 sigh, so much crap with that post i dont even know where to start Oo  It's the same twisted mind that brought you 'how do you know anybody got hurt in Salisbury?'. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
melthebell   865 #509 Posted March 25, 2018 Is this Russian tragedy ok or is it fake news? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-43531684 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Stable   10 #510 Posted March 25, 2018 (edited) oh give over, the whole of europe and the US WOULDNT all suddenly band together over "propaganda" to suddenly hate the russians, nor would the UN or Nato. As for the propaganda, show me it is propaganda and not real, Russia for a long time now HAS BEEN a rogue state, they side with "others" like Syria, North Korea, China, they HAVE been up to no good for years. Going back to the evidence, i presume the hospital where the injured have been know all about evidence?  So you don't think Europe and the US, who were in a power struggle the then Soviet Union for decades, would not want to band together to 'put in place' an increasingly striegthening Russia under Putins leadership?  Are you for real, nieve or just take us fools?  Besides that the UK and Europe are in a rather embarracing power stuggle ourselves that needs some distraction from due to incompetance and posturing on both sides. Edited March 25, 2018 by Stable Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
hackey lad   3,992 #511 Posted March 25, 2018 Is this Russian tragedy ok or is it fake news? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-43531684  What a silly question We all know Donald trump and Theresa May started it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Naive   10 #512 Posted March 25, 2018 What a silly question We all know Donald trump and Theresa May started it  To be fair, you can rule out May.  She’s not got the organisational skills to set fire to a shopping centre. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
chalga   10 #513 Posted March 25, 2018 (edited) I concur Allan. They didn't name any suspects because they have none. This is not a ((carefully constructed)) drama, but hastily cobbled together kindergarten farce of unprecedented hubris leading us into conflict with the next Chemical event in Syria (Poison having already been supplied to the White Helmets as aid ready to be passed to the rebels.) which will result in a 'Duel of the Fates'- just one of the aggressive reactions to Putin's Nuclear- State of the Nation address of March the 1st...  Time is running out for the US Empire with its beloved Nuclear 1st strike capability gone bye bye - thus something had to be done Russia's Novichok Programme was destroyed in 2013 as verified by UN Watchdog inspectors, but America's weren't??  Q. Why is May trying to start WW3? A. Because Britain is broke, and the Arms Industry has massive pay offs.  This will not end well. Putin is not Saddam Husain. The Russians lost 17 MILLION people in the last war. I don't think Putin will be standing back for that to happen again.  May better be very careful what she wishes for. 1.5 million collateral damage innocent victims for the last LIE.. That Madeline Albright said was ''worth the price.''    .  Porton Down chemical weapons has been awarded an extra £48M this year I 've learned elsewhere. I also agree with those who fear this hype is to prepare the public for a nerve gas attack in Syria to justify a full on US/UK invasion and move on Iran.   The Hague (dpa) - Russia never declared stocks of the nerve agent Novichok with the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW), the group says.   http://en.europeonline-magazine.eu/extrarussia-never-declared-novichok-nerve-agent-opcw-says_636773.html  UN Watchdog inspectors never verified that Russia had destroyed its Novichok poison in 2013,because Russia had never told anybody that it had it in the first place............so what you wrote just in that line is a complete lie. We know the Russians are lying because their scientist who worked on the Novichok has said they are,so when they said they never had any,the very person who produced it for them has told us they are lying. Edited March 25, 2018 by chalga Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Obelix   11 #514 Posted March 26, 2018 Looks like the US are not that pally with Putin...  Sixty diplomats declared persona non grata....  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43545565 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
truman   10 #515 Posted March 26, 2018 ............................. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
melthebell   865 #516 Posted March 26, 2018 Russia in the news again, currently about getting "orange" snow in east europe, fake news i presume? https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/weathertopstories/orange-snow-hit-parts-of-europe-this-weekend/ar-BBKGdIf  or is it only the bad stuff thats fake, and propaganda? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...