MML electrification "paused"

[hicksy3 10]

Great news folks:

 

http://bbc.in/1O1xes9

[Onthetyne 10]

Great news folks:

 

http://bbc.in/1O1xes9

 

However it appears it will be delayed.... corby will get electrIcation first...... Sheffield will be way behind. ......

[hicksy3 10]

Not such great news then. TPE misses out South section taking in Sheffield and MML is eight years away.....

 

 

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[InigoMontoya 10]

Sorry Annie Bynnol, I have read Hansard http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201516/cmhansrd/cm150625/debtext/150625-0002.htm#15062549000566

and can not find Paul Blomfield challenge the reply in the house, he may have in his newsletter.

Clive Betts also asked a question before Paul Blomfield "Mr Clive Betts (Sheffield South East) (Lab): There will be a great deal of anger in Sheffield today about the decision on the midland main line, especially among businesses. There will also be some cynicism about the fact that the electrification which was on track before 7 May has been abandoned so soon after that date. Will the Secretary of State confirm that, contrary to what he has just said, Ministers gave clear commitments—both in the House and in writing—that it would be completed by 2020? He has reneged on those commitments today, and he really has no idea when, or if, electrification will actually take place."

 

 

But if Betts had already made the point, there's no mileage in Blomfield more or less repeating exactly the same thing.

 

He'll only get the same response, and, it's possible someone else might have wished to raise a different issue.

[bjones787 10]

Electrification between Kettering, Nottingham and Sheffield has been officially scrapped. Instead they will replace existing stock with new Bi-Mode trains which will in theory shorten journey times by upto 20 minutes, this they say removes the need for electrification. This also brings MML journey times to within 15 minutes of those proposed for HS2.

 

http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/sheffield-mainline-upgrade-scrapped-1-8659969

[TimmyR 10]

Electrification has been paused for 20 years or so.

[Phili Buster 10]

So it is possible to make a (theoretical) saving of 20 minutes on journey times by just changing to Bi-Mode trains.

 

I also believe savings can be made to journey times by better settling maintenance to relaid track beds so reducing the requirement for induced slower running as the track re-settles.

 

Compared to the vast costs of HS2 these changes could be a better and more quickly implemented option.

[Blue Day 10]

So it is possible to make a (theoretical) saving of 20 minutes on journey times by just changing to Bi-Mode trains.

 

I also believe savings can be made to journey times by better settling maintenance to relaid track beds so reducing the requirement for induced slower running as the track re-settles.

 

Compared to the vast costs of HS2 these changes could be a better and more quickly implemented option.

 

The report also says switching to the new 'dual' trains will increase capacity by 50% at peak times.

 

That makes HS2 even more baffling.

[Phili Buster 10]

The report also says switching to the new 'dual' trains will increase capacity by 50% at peak times.

 

That makes HS2 even more baffling.

 

 

 

I missed that, thanks for adding the information

[Dan_Ashcroft 10]

Electrification between Kettering, Nottingham and Sheffield has been officially scrapped. Instead they will replace existing stock with new Bi-Mode trains which will in theory shorten journey times by upto 20 minutes, this they say removes the need for electrification. This also brings MML journey times to within 15 minutes of those proposed for HS2.

 

http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/sheffield-mainline-upgrade-scrapped-1-8659969

 

It doesn't remove the need for electrification, as diesel is horrifically polluting and generally being phased out as a fuel by 2040.

[WaveyDavey 11]

So it is possible to make a (theoretical) saving of 20 minutes on journey times by just changing to Bi-Mode trains.

 

I also believe savings can be made to journey times by better settling maintenance to relaid track beds so reducing the requirement for induced slower running as the track re-settles.

 

Compared to the vast costs of HS2 these changes could be a better and more quickly implemented option.

 

The reduction in journey times is basically due to two things.... Line speed improvements between Derby and Sheffield and a reduction in the number of peak trains that call at any stations south of Kettering.

 

The report also says switching to the new 'dual' trains will increase capacity by 50% at peak times.

 

That makes HS2 even more baffling.

 

The extra capacity mentioned at peak times is due to the number of seats on those trains.... With the peak trains not calling at any stations south of Kettering that reduces the number of passengers getting on that section of the journey therefore increasing the capacity of that train.

 

What people seem to not realise about HS2 and it's increase on capacity is that the capacity increase relates to the infrastructure and the amount of trains that can be run (Both for passenger trains on existing network and HS2 and freight trains on existing network). Too often people get this and the capacity on the trains themselves as mentioned above mixed up but they are two totally different issues.

[geared 321]

It doesn't remove the need for electrification, as diesel is horrifically polluting and generally being phased out as a fuel by 2040.

 

So buy (about) 2022 they will introduce new trains (which run diesel) despite the ever increasing cost of the fuel but with a view to retiring the trains after 18 years anyway??

 

Is this because the MML electrification project was botched?