Bus Lane Cameras Ecclesall Road

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The Wetherspoons down there is advertised as being on Eccy Road and that is just a little past the junction in my map, are they wrong then?

 

No, because Ecclesall Road used to go down to the corner, so it will be on Ecclesall Road regardless, so no building on that side would be considered to be on Moore Street.

 

here is a slightly better one:

 

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/dir/53.3736688,-1.4828737/53.3730559,-1.4822367/@53.3733303,-1.4830313,18z/data=!4m4!4m3!1m0!1m0!3e2

 

Just after you turn left you are still on Eccy Road, the point on my map being 118 Eccy Road.

 

Just. I'm not sure of the position of the camera, or the wording on the fine. In the OP it says 'Also the PCN says he's on Moore Street Bus Lane and he wasn't, he was on Eccy Road'; that section is likely to be called Moore Street Bus lane even if a few yards of it are still considered Ecclesall Rd.

 

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Either way, I'm not sure of the reasoning that the OP is giving specifically, there seems to be a few.

 

Might be worth arguing and see if can get away with it.

 

But which reason?

 

There's no filter there to let you join traffic and he saw a gap and went for it, only for the driver on Eccy Road to put his foot down and close the gap. This forced my husband onto bus lane and as a bus was coming down, he panicked as he couldn't join the traffic outside the bus lane and drove down it.

 

What kind of filter was he expecting?

 

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he panicked as he couldn't join the traffic outside the bus lane and drove down it.

 

Now, we know he shouldn't be driving in the bus lane

 

I wouldn't write this in the challenge.

 

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However, we've done a bit of research and apparently there should be warning signs on William Street that cameras are in use and there aren't (they are a very recent addition to that end of Eccy Road). There is an A4 sized sign saying CCTV is in use, not camera enforcement.

 

Can you share this? Whilst there may have to be warnings of cameras, I want to see the wording that says there must be a sign saying that the camera is enforced.

 

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Also the PCN says he's on Moore Street Bus Lane and he wasn't, he was on Eccy Road (You can see Sheaf Island and Waitrose to his right in the pic).

 

This we're currently discussing. If anyone could let us know the position of the camera it would help.

 

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The camera in use is not the usual yellow, highly visible camera, just a discreet normal CCTV camera. The signage does not display the Camera graphic that is usual either.

 

As isn't the one at Hillsborough bus/tram gate, and I think all the challenges against this one have been tried by now.

 

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Also, you can't get out of that junction without crossing the bus lane.

 

Any info or advice would be appreciated.

 

Yes you can (unless it's been remarked incorrectly recently). Bus lanes always have a split in them at junctions - see here with this one

[Squiggs]

Hi Bonjon - yes, there is a black and white sign stating bus lane (although I've read it should be further back from the junction than it is). But no warning from that approach that it is now enforced by cameras. That junction can be a nightmare to get out of. You have no option but to cross the bus lane and rely on the goodwill of fellow road users to let you in as there is not filter.

 

It is more to do with the fact that there is no camera signage and the incorrect location on the PCN.

 

I've never challenged a ticket before (mind you, I've only ever got one parking ticket). So don't know how successful challenges are.

 

So do you only think traffic signs and laws apply when they are on camera?

 

If the signage or PCN is incorrect then that is one thing; circumstances of being in the lane are another - but there being no camera signage has no bearing on it

[waddy13]

My trusty ancient (2003) Philip`s Street Atlas South Yorkshire on page 160 shows Moore Street as starting at the boundry of S11 and S3 this is at the junction of Clarence Lane (I think this is now the entrance into Waitrose/old Peugeot garage). This is approx 100 yardsish the city side of William Street, so if the Council use the same old maps then it is the Moore Street Bus Lane.

[Priorylady]

The Wetherspoons down there is advertised as being on Eccy Road and that is just a little past the junction in my map, are they wrong then?

 

here is a slightly better one:

 

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/dir/53.3736688,-1.4828737/53.3730559,-1.4822367/@53.3733303,-1.4830313,18z/data=!4m4!4m3!1m0!1m0!3e2

 

Just after you turn left you are still on Eccy Road, the point on my map being 118 Eccy Road.

 

I used the map and moved the point from where 118 Ecclesall Road was indicated, just a little further towards the roundabout it did change to Moore St

[No User Name]

I used the map and moved the point from where 118 Ecclesall Road was indicated, just a little further towards the roundabout it did change to Moore St

 

Quite, but the point at which the turn is made is onto Eccy Road.

[Priorylady]

But the op says her partner continued to drive in the bus lane so would have moved onto the Moore street section and could have been photographed at that point and if Waitrose is visible on the drivers right that would support them being on the Moore Street section

 

But I see what you are saying

Edited September 24, 2014 by Priorylady

[No User Name]

But the op says her partner continued to drive in the bus lane so would have moved onto the Moore street section and could have been photographed at that point

 

Very true. Suppose it depends at the exact point the photo was taken.

[Eater Sundae]

Very true. Suppose it depends at the exact point the photo was taken.

 

Could it be that the bus lane is referred to as "THE Moore Street bus lane", as a title, as part of it is on Moore Street, as opposed to saying "a bus lane on Ecclesall Road".

[No User Name]

Could it be that the bus lane is referred to as "THE Moore Street bus lane", as a title, as part of it is on Moore Street, as opposed to saying "a bus lane on Ecclesall Road".

 

Could be, but I thought on parking tickets you had to be uber-specific about where the offence took place, otherwise it leaves them open to challenge?

[morrisminor]

the council are ultimately responsible for the designating highway names and their definition, so "my map" and google, philips etc are not definitive proof. you could check with SCC's Street naming and numbering officer if you like https://www.sheffield.gov.uk/roads/about/highways-maintenance/address-management/street-naming-and-numbering.html