1.6 billion on sheffield N.H.S

[monkey69]

just heard on going underground on RT that david blunket helped through the PFI scheme for the south yorkshire N.H.S trust at a cost of 1.6 billion to fund various schemes for the NHS. this has turned into a whopping 96 billion repayment by the tax payer, over the life time of the scheme.which i understand is 25 years.....

is this true???.

[ricgem2002]

does it only upset you when its labour doing this ?

[Longcol]

just heard on going underground on RT that david blunket helped through the PFI scheme for the south yorkshire N.H.S trust at a cost of 1.6 billion to fund various schemes for the NHS. this has turned into a whopping 96 billion repayment by the tax payer, over the life time of the scheme.which i understand is 25 years.....

is this true???.

 

Well according to the Daily Telegraph (not a great supporter of Labour);

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/9356079/Explained-how-PFI-left-NHS-trusts-at-risk.html

 

"The total value of the NHS buildings built by Labour under the scheme is £11.4bn. But the bill, which will also include fees for maintenance, cleaning and portering, will come to more than £70bn on current projections and will not be paid off until 2049."

 

So unless South Yorks is picking up the entire national NHS PFI bill (and then some) then RT (whoever they are) is wrong. A long way wrong.

[Parvo]

I was under the impression that there were several PFI schemes at Sheffield Hospitals - the Hadfield wards for a start .......

Also that the Amey road repair scheme is PFI......

 

PFI stands for PUBLIC to FUND INDUSTRY.................at over inflated, extortionate prices, for over extended periods of time....and for all political arguers...they are all at it ...

.it means they can say that in the shortterm

'they' have built xx schools,

xx hospitals

xx whatever infra structure has required at YY (low) cost

because they don't count in the contracted running costs that are also contracted nor the repayments over the next few decades..

 

Good electioneering

 

And some people get and stay very rich whilst the squeezed public sector picks up the bill.........

 

I suppose when the politicians do finally sell off our nhs etc they will have to pay the Richard Bransons of this world to take them off the tax payers hands because they will be so debt laden................

 

ever felt *******??

[Douglas J]

.......

Also that the Amey road repair scheme is PFI......

 

 

... and also the biggest PFI scheme ever taken on in local government. The costs will escalate.

[salsafan]

I have seen some job adverts recently on hiring facilities personnel within the NHS. Maybe this is much needed in reduction of the maintenance cost of this contract. It is staggering to believe the condition of these contracts to be so.

Edited March 2, 2014 by salsafan

[JFKvsNixon]

Well, people do not want a proper capitalistic country. What exactly do you expect of the public accounting to be like ? In effect, what should happen really is heavier tax to gain back some of this kind of funding. Or maybe the omission is because people can stay healthier and live better, therefore their percentage of healthcare is drastically reduced ?

 

I think you'll find that the opposite is happening. People are living longer, and they are also needing more healthcare interventions in their lives. Also due to improvements knowledge and technology the healthcare itself is becoming more expensive. So the percentage of spending in healthcare will need to be increased.

[salsafan]

I think you'll find that the opposite is happening. People are living longer, and they are also needing more healthcare interventions in their lives. Also due to improvements knowledge and technology the healthcare itself is becoming more expensive. So the percentage of spending in healthcare will need to be increased.

 

Actually, this is not that true. Because public money is only finite. It is not a business. But it should.

 

Technology have its value, and NHS can bid with the global set of technology outsourcing companies. Out of SO many out there, it means that the cost can be reduced. There is something wrong within the system, if they do not take at least SOME Of the best people from its respective industries to actually sit at that top tier to manage this kind of transition.

 

Technology can increase, but it is also supply and demand. NHS do not have to buy the latest of equipments, and nor to tie themselves down either. At the same time, if they hold the best equipment, there can be room to outsource those usage of those equipments elsewhere or for oversea patients. Like an outsourced healthcare to other countries.

 

Of course, it is public accounting, and healthcare law which governs this aspect and feasibility.

 

Before in the past, healthcare has declined to such a state that it is more reactive. But now, it is aiming to be proactive, and not a case of "you have abc, you take this pill". It is more strategic. It should always be more strategic than it should be to achieve government goals. If the government fail their own goals, what actually happens? Nothing. But if the government achieves their goals at the offset of the healthcare level and aim of the entity, then this is travesty.

 

It is not because of people living longer, and therefore need more care. It is people being hedonistic, self destructive, stressed, such that they are ill often, and the NHS is keep on patching them until they can move on and work and function for a little longer. NHS is almost like a safety net for everyone whenever there are economic changes which affect people's careers.

[muddycoffee]

PFI stands for PUBLIC to FUND INDUSTRY

 

No It doesn't.

 

It stands for Private Finance Initiative.

 

Just a way of making a Private sector mortgage to get something built in the Public sector.

[JFKvsNixon]

Actually, this is not that true. Because public money is only finite. It is not a business. But it should.

 

Technology have its value, and NHS can bid with the global set of technology outsourcing companies. Out of SO many out there, it means that the cost can be reduced. There is something wrong within the system, if they do not take at least SOME Of the best people from its respective industries to actually sit at that top tier to manage this kind of transition.

 

Technology can increase, but it is also supply and demand. NHS do not have to buy the latest of equipments, and nor to tie themselves down either. At the same time, if they hold the best equipment, there can be room to outsource those usage of those equipments elsewhere or for oversea patients. Like an outsourced healthcare to other countries.

 

Of course, it is public accounting, and healthcare law which governs this aspect and feasibility.

 

Before in the past, healthcare has declined to such a state that it is more reactive. But now, it is aiming to be proactive, and not a case of "you have abc, you take this pill". It is more strategic. It should always be more strategic than it should be to achieve government goals. If the government fail their own goals, what actually happens? Nothing. But if the government achieves their goals at the offset of the healthcare level and aim of the entity, then this is travesty.

 

It is not because of people living longer, and therefore need more care. It is people being hedonistic, self destructive, stressed, such that they are ill often, and the NHS is keep on patching them until they can move on and work and function for a little longer. NHS is almost like a safety net for everyone whenever there are economic changes which affect people's careers.

 

I never said that it was. I said people are living longer, and they are needing more healthcare interventions. So the problem is multiplied.

 

Also, technology upgrades are unfortunately more expensive than what was being used before hand, for example the robotic surgery currently being done in Sheffield is obviously a big investment for the NHS trust. Also as standards improve, more time and investment is needed to meet these standards. Finally, let's not forget that the costs of treatments are also increasing.