Sheffield Council to decide the fate of your ANPR data

[sccsux]

It always has. You get a whole lot more than ANPR for £10 million.

 

SYITS includes:

• Transport Studies

As if we need any more:rolleyes:

 

 

• Data Collection

For what? The council already know more than they need about us all as it is.

 

 

• Transport Modelling

Like the one used on Woodseats? Oh, wonderful:(.

 

 

• Traffic Signal Upgrades

We've got more than enough traffic lights. Why more:confused:

 

 

• New communications systems and upgrades

As opposed to tin cans & string:D

 

 

• Urban Traffic Control System upgrades

Oh, wonderful. More traffic lights.

 

 

• Bus priority equipment / systems

More? Why. They already get priority on most major routes.

 

 

• CCTV

More spying on us.

 

 

• New Control Centre

Ah. Now I see the reason for this scheme & waste of money

 

These types of schemes are not going to make much difference to most road users (which are the users who actually pay a significant contribution to the pot)

[sccsux]

I'm struggling to understand how this would work for ongoing monitoring of a particular plate number over a period of years. Once the data had been anonymised, surely the system would not be able to link the plate number to the "unique number" so any comparison would be lost?

 

You obviuosly have no idea how oneway encryption can still be used in comparissons (or even works- for that matter).

 

The plate is scanned. Then encrypted using a fixed key (as many times as required). Then compared against the db for any previous entry that matches the new data. If the do, they're the same plate.

 

How do you think you are able to log in to SF without the use of oneway encryption?

 

Yes, of course they do. The subject will be discussed at the next steering group meeting.

 

The I hope you'll be recommending anonymisation of data and a holding period of (at most) a year?

[Cyclone]

Yes, of course they do. The subject will be discussed at the next steering group meeting.

 

And will you point out that people are concerned about privacy and that it's possible to use anonymised data effectively?

[Planner1]

You obviuosly have no idea how oneway encryption can still be used in comparissons (or even works- for that matter).

 

The plate is scanned. Then encrypted using a fixed key (as many times as required). Then compared against the db for any previous entry that matches the new data. If the do, they're the same plate.

 

How do you think you are able to log in to SF without the use of oneway encryption?

 

The I hope you'll be recommending anonymisation of data and a holding period of (at most) a year?

 

Why would I need to know that? I'm a Transport Planner, not an IT specialist. ANPR technology arrived at the Council after I had left the Urban Traffic Control Group, so I have never dealt with it in a "hands on" role.

 

I'll be asking the operations people what, in their view, are the legal requirements ( because, as is often the case, it appears they are open to interpretation) and to explain how they are complying with them.

[Planner1]

And will you point out that people are concerned about privacy and that it's possible to use anonymised data effectively?

 

The people running this project are acknowledged technical experts in their field and don't need me or you to tell them this stuff, so do give the condescending tone a rest please.

 

Yes, as usual, a handful people are concerned enough to bleat on Sheffield Forum, but has anyone actually done anything about their concerns? Like directly contacting the SYITS project manager, who's details I have offered to provide to anyone who wanted to contact him? Well no one has asked for them, so I think we know the answer to that one.

[Cyclone]

It's condescending to make suggestions now, that earlier on you didn't know were technically possible?

 

PM me the details of the man if you're not capable of raising the issue yourself. I'd have thought that as someone on the steering committee you'd be able to do that though.

[Planner1]

I'd have thought that as someone on the steering committee you'd be able to do that though.

 

As I said earlier, I already have.

[sccsux]

Like directly contacting the SYITS project manager, who's details I have offered to provide to anyone who wanted to contact him? Well no one has asked for them, so I think we know the answer to that one.

 

Feel free to PM me the details of the person I need to contact in order to express my deepest concerns.

 

What is the point in being on these committees when you don't have the knowledge about how the underlying systems operate:confused:.

 

To quote Pink Floyd.. "Welcome, to the machine".

Or (to put it another way).. What a bloody gravy train your riding.

 

The new council are having to put right the mistakes you made, yet you continue to be involved in our political descisions. Are you friends with Bob Kerslake, perchance.

[AJ sheffield]

I think it is more so the Police can see if untaxed/uninsured vehicles are being driven around and can duly fine the registered keeper of the vehicle.

 

Don't complain, they are actually doing some good.

 

I always drive through them sideways when I dont have any road tax.

[Planner1]

Feel free to PM me the details of the person I need to contact in order to express my deepest concerns.

 

What is the point in being on these committees when you don't have the knowledge about how the underlying systems operate:confused:.

 

To quote Pink Floyd.. "Welcome, to the machine".

Or (to put it another way).. What a bloody gravy train your riding.

 

The new council are having to put right the mistakes you made, yet you continue to be involved in our political descisions. Are you friends with Bob Kerslake, perchance.

 

Details PM'd as requested.

 

It's a rather ridiculous proposition that everyone on a steering group should have an absolutely total knowledge of every aspect of every function of the project they are involved in. It's team effort. There are people on the steering group who are technical experts in the systems involved and they can also call on people who work for them to provide any further details required.

 

I am not involved in your political decisions. Officers do not get involved in politics, they leave that to the politicians. I am involved in the SYITS project because it is a partnership of the South Yorkshire Local Authorities and SYPTE. I work for one of the other SY Councils, and it was decided that I am the most appropriate person to represent them on the SYITS Steering Group.

 

Transport is a political process, because at local level, the ultimate decisions are made by elected Councillors. The administration has changed in Sheffield and the outgoing and incoming administrations have differences in approach, priorities and policies. That doesn't mean that what the previous administration approved was a "mistake", it just means that the current administration want it doing differently.