BNP Candidate evicted from hustings meeting

[Conrod]

you've got to say, though, that the right hasn't had a lot of luck lately with their pedophile members and candidates and whatnot.

Quite true - but the BNP does not, as I see it, represent the right-thinking voters in the UK. A growen-up version of UKIP, or a bolstered Conservative party might do that - but not the empty-headed thugs of the BNP.

 

That's why I fail to understand the excited responses of the left to the BNP's tomfoolery. They are a non-entity, incapable of ever having a meaningful political position and of no real threat to anybody. Without the negative publicity on which they thrive (given freely and passionately by the left), they might even fade away.

[Kaimani]

Quite true - but the BNP does not, as I see it, represent the right-thinking voters in the UK. A growen-up version of UKIP, or a bolstered Conservative party might do that - but not the empty-headed thugs of the BNP.

 

That's why I fail to understand the excited responses of the left to the BNP's tomfoolery. They are a non-entity, incapable of ever having a meaningful political position and of no real threat to anybody. Without the negative publicity on which they thrive (given freely and passionately by the left), they might even fade away.

 

i agree. but the old argument of evil triumphing when good men do nothing. people worry that by ignoring them you might wake up to find they grew. their tomfoolery:hihi: like that. nincompoopery is another good one.

[Conrod]

just that the fringe always engenders extreme emotions. labor and the other two are 'too similar', for lack of a better phrase, to really rile their supporters against each other. the fringe left gets the same response from moderate to extreme right that BNP does the other way round. i think there's a lot of left wing people on the forum which is why it's disproportionate, but nothing unnatural.

i think it's a good sign that people get upset as it shows there are still people who care about their beliefs. anything but would be worrying, i think.

I have to say, that's one of the best assessments of 'the way it is' I've yet read on this forum.

 

People who sit on the right right sometimes perceive those of the slightly left as near-on communist, and people who are far-left think Daily Mail readers must be directly descended from Himmler at the very least.

 

That all leads to some very amusing and ill-considered exchanges on some of the threads, which is fine and amusing at times, but it also leads to many arguments taking an unpleasant personal route.

 

As you say, there are a lot of left wing people on SF (I suppose that comes from Sheffield's Labour and socialist background), and many of them, sadly, get worked up too easily and turn threads from discussing the subject to attacking opposing posters. Still, without such passions it often might not be worth reading!

[Alien]

you've got to say, though, that the right hasn't had a lot of luck lately with their pedophile members and candidates and whatnot.

 

Depends on your perspective. The victims and British public in the long run benefited. The victims justice, the public was shown who they really are.

Paedophilia isn't their only bent...

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1173517/BNP-candidate-Europe-elections-arrested-suspicion-selling-illegal-firearms.html

 

As a political party they'd have nothing without the race card.

[Kaimani]

Depends on your perspective. The victims and British public in the long run benefited. The victims justice, the public was shown who they really are.

Paedophilia isn't their only bent...

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1173517/BNP-candidate-Europe-elections-arrested-suspicion-selling-illegal-firearms.html

 

As a political party they'd have nothing without the race card.

 

true, to a point. I'm naturally left wing, near enough communist so not too keen on the right. but the left press do tend to seize on the fact that a pedophile is also a BNP member. might matter if they a leader or one of their councilors(sp), which it's been once or twice, but that they simply BNP should really have a bearing on it, should it?

that said, extremes and fringes do tend to attract the extreme. not too surprising, really.

[Kaimani]

I have to say, that's one of the best assessments of 'the way it is' I've yet read on this forum.

 

People who sit on the right right sometimes perceive those of the slightly left as near-on communist, and people who are far-left think Daily Mail readers must be directly descended from Himmler at the very least.

 

That all leads to some very amusing and ill-considered exchanges on some of the threads, which is fine and amusing at times, but it also leads to many arguments taking an unpleasant personal route.

 

As you say, there are a lot of left wing people on SF (I suppose that comes from Sheffield's Labour and socialist background), and many of them, sadly, get worked up too easily and turn threads from discussing the subject to attacking opposing posters. Still, without such passions it often might not be worth reading!

 

thanks. my view is that the forum is 'a pastime' we're unlikely to change lives and minds, except, maybe, in the special interest groups section, so take it with a pinch of salt. you're right though, some passion does make it better.

[Stan Tamudo]

there are a lot of left wing people on SF (I suppose that comes from Sheffield's Labour and socialist background)

 

There's a fair few right wing people on SF as well, the vast majority of whom spend their time at work on SF.

[Alien]

true, to a point. I'm naturally left wing, near enough communist so not too keen on the right. but the left press do tend to seize on the fact that a pedophile is also a BNP member. might matter if they a leader or one of their councilors(sp), which it's been once or twice, but that they simply BNP should really have a bearing on it, should it?

that said, extremes and fringes do tend to attract the extreme. not too surprising, really.

 

And quite wrongly so. I would imagine the majority of their membership are innocent of such crimes. What's worrying is the level of that crime of the party hierarchy which seems consistent.

[Wildcat]

true, to a point. I'm naturally left wing, near enough communist so not too keen on the right. but the left press do tend to seize on the fact that a pedophile is also a BNP member. might matter if they a leader or one of their councilors(sp), which it's been once or twice, but that they simply BNP should really have a bearing on it, should it?

that said, extremes and fringes do tend to attract the extreme. not too surprising, really.

As I understand it the point of such stories is to highight the invalidity of the BNP's argument from example or stereotyping.

[Alien]

As I understand it the point of such stories is to highight the invalidity of the BNP's argument from example or stereotyping.

 

Which came first..the chicken or the egg?