Israel attacks Gaza aid convoy in International Waters, 9 reported dead

[frank ryan]

What they did in the past will take nothing for the solidarity from most of the known world over this so any divide you think that sentence was going to attain is negligible.

 

International waters, boarding a ship and killing the defenders of that ship is plane and simply Piracy and is a no no. you only have to ask the Somarli Pirates that the Russians 'released' to know that (if they ever turn up).

 

The past is to be learned from. That is why no one likes what they see at the hands of the Israelis, because they have seen this sort of thing over and over.

 

totally agree - to say that turkish atrocities decades ago justifies israeli fascists shooting unarmed civilians multiply and at close range does not hold water with the folk of the world, anymore than arguing that fascist atrocities committed against european jewry by germans , poles and lithuanians justifies the seizure of palestinian land and the imprisonment of millions in strips of overpopulated, unproductive dust.

 

I think (and hope) that israel has gone too far this time, but I'm probably wrong.

[callippo]

So does she have any legal claim on land historically seized from her family??

 

it seems you don't know a great deal about land allocation to Israeli citizens. Arab citizens of Israel - usually descended from the majority of Arabs that stayed behind in Israel in 1948 rather than having fled, or much less likely, after having been expelled - actually privately own more land themselves than Jewish ones do.

 

the massive majority of land in Israel is owned by the state, just as it was under the British Mandate, and before them, by the Turks. And today, these state-owned lands are leased to all citizens of Israel, be they Arab, Jew, Druze, or whatever. In fact in some cases, Israeli Arabs have gone to court and gotten more favourable terms than Jews get, in examples of positive discrimination.

 

Can any of her relatives from abroad resettle and lease land from the Israeli Land Association??

 

usually yes, although the quite recently introduced marriage law means that she can't marry a resident of the West Bank or Gaza and automatically expect to get her spouse citizenship or residency. This controversial law is reviewed annually and applies toJewish Israelis too, not just Arab ones.

 

Does she have freedom of travel to all other countries without police investigation?

 

she definitely has the freedom to travel. As to whether she gets investigated by the police when she comes back, I guess that depends on what she's been up to while she's been abroard, same way as it would be to anyone anywhere else.

[callippo]

Hmm the first suicide bombers the UK ever experienced were bred in Leeds and one came from Buckinghamshire.

 

Do you advocate that we destroy Leeds and Buckinghamshire?

 

I suppose you're right in the sense that 2005 was the first time the UK had ever experienced a suicide bombing, but the first British suicide bombers were Pakistani Muslims from Derby. They blew up a bar called 'Mike's Place' in Tel Aviv in 2003, killing three people.

[Phanerothyme]

as this blog says, the Israeli action may have been stupid, but it wasn't illegal.

Stupid and illegal - unless there's some record of the UNSC approving the blockade of Gaza?

 

Because an attack on blockade busting ship (or sinking it, as you say they would have been within their rights to do) only becomes acceptable if the blockade meets the requirements set out after 1945 - and there's no evidence to suggest it was anything but a bilateral blockade without international endorsement [beyond the USA].

[Clearway]

Are you suggesting that the IDF have evidence of gun running but are keeping it to themselves because they don't wish to present the aid convey in a bad light?

Sow they grow their missiles, guns, amminition, & explosives from seed now, well you live and learn.

[Clearway]

What they did in the past will take nothing for the solidarity from most of the known world over this so any divide you think that sentence was going to attain is negligible.

 

International waters, boarding a ship and killing the defenders of that ship is plane and simply Piracy and is a no no. you only have to ask the Somarli Pirates that the Russians 'released' to know that (if they ever turn up).

 

The past is to be learned from. That is why no one likes what they see at the hands of the Israelis, because they have seen this sort of thing over and over.

Aren't the North Sea oil/gas fields in international waters? there isn't a single one less than 3 miles from the UK.

[Phanerothyme]

Sow they grow their missiles, guns, amminition, & explosives from seed now, well you live and learn.

 

Well I don't think they smuggle guns and rockets in flotillas of boats that have given ample warning of their intentions, and where plans and preparations for the journey has been posted in the public domain.

 

I don't think Hamas are great fans of Edgar Allen Poe, so would probably choose a more discreet route for their materiel.

[Clearway]

Don't think that is a concern to the IDF anyway.

If they did find weaponry on board and announced it they would probably be accused of planting it.

Bottom line is that Hamas is getting arms and such and it's not just falling from the sky.

You'd better believe it because not one single round, rocket, shell etc was brought in by gun runners.

[hard2miss]

Sow they grow their missiles, guns, amminition, & explosives from seed now, well you live and learn.

And how do Israel get in their Phosphor shells and enriched Uranium ?

 

Oh yeh, As no one is holding them siege (although someone even tried to claim that earlier) they don't have to. They are not in a struggle with anyone land grabbing from them.

[Phanerothyme]

Aren't the North Sea oil/gas fields in international waters? there isn't a single one less than 3 miles from the UK.

 

I'd be vaguely interested in what bearing that has on anything. If you boarded a platform in the north sea with guns and grenades, and commandeered the structure, that would be an act of piracy, wouldn't it?