Winter of discontent

[MrNM 10]

Since private sector increases are running much higher than public, presumably they are all greedy scum for accepting them by your reasoning?

 

Perhaps you want to try working beyond the age of 50 and giving up some of your lucrative pension? If you weight up these perks your on about another 6 grand a year! - like I said - greedy scum!

[Wildcat 10]

Perhaps you want to try working beyond the age of 50 and giving up some of your lucrative pension? If you weight up these perks your on about another 6 grand a year! - like I said - greedy scum!

 

As has already been demonstrated there are no perks to working in the Civil Service that you won't find in private sector employers.

 

I know people working in the civil service in their late 60s?

 

Since when is it greed to want a cost of living increase? or at least a pay increase in line with private sector employees?

[MrNM 10]

So the Government may as well give proper pay rises, as if they don't, they'll be finding them via tax credit and benefits anyway. Just cut out the middle man - which would be errrr, the civil servants! Hey presto! If they give a decent pay rise, therefore it will save money in the long run

 

Actually, they should give everyone over a certain grade a pay freeze and 10% to everyone else.

 

Sounds fair, but my greedy scum comments come from the fact that it's probably the civil servants etc that are pushing for strikes etc whilst the bog cleaner craps themselves because they can't afford to strike!

[MrNM 10]

As has already been demonstrated there are no perks to working in the Civil Service that you won't find in private sector employers.

 

I know people working in the civil service in their late 60s?

 

Since when is it greed to want a cost of living increase? or at least a pay increase in line with private sector employees?

 

We can't bloody afford cost of living pay increases. The private sector don't get this either. If petrol and gas goes up 50% you can't just have a pay rise to cover the cost. Everyone else had to deal with the credit crunch and tighten their belts. They don't see fit to strike because someone won't keep giving them the difference everytime prices go up! This is how you lefties would bury this economy! God we need another Thatcher!!!

[Mathom 10]

Perhaps you want to try working beyond the age of 50 and giving up some of your lucrative pension? If you weight up these perks your on about another 6 grand a year! - like I said - greedy scum!

 

Civil servants work until retirement like everyone else. It's people like firemen and teachers who retire early, mostly as they're either unfit by then or in the case of teachers are burnt out. The only civil servants on lucrative pensions are the senior ones because they are based on final salary and length of service, which can both be very low figures. It's a myth the papers try and sell, based on the high pensions the senior civil service gets.

 

Note that it was Thatch who sold off British Gas, and if she hadn't, the Government would have been able to cap rises. Now they can't even make them stop charging the poorest on meters more than everyone else.

[Tony 10]

Note that British Gas was an amalgamation of private and corporation gas companies forcibly nationalised by a Labour Government. Thatcher merely returned it to where it began.

[ANTIFA 10]

It was on the news at lunchtime

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7602986.stm

speech by Brendan Barber

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7604251.stm

 

Ho! Ho! As you will know I have no time for the Prison Officers Union but this is a hoot. The POA has put down a resolution at this week’s TUC confrence calling for a general strike against government pay policy. This has really put the skids under the phony rhetoric of union leaders like Woodley who bluster away but do nothing - TUC chief BRENDON BAMBI is already denouncing the resolution as illegal. Let’s hope the POA gets a chance to put their motion - then we can see the union leaders wrigglingon the hook and the screws all banged up for illegally striking. No lose situation.

[MrNM 10]

Ho! Ho! As you will know I have no time for the Prison Officers Union but this is a hoot. The POA has put down a resolution at this week’s TUC confrence calling for a general strike against government pay policy. This has really put the skids under the phony rhetoric of union leaders like Woodley who bluster away but do nothing - TUC chief BRENDON BAMBI is already denouncing the resolution as illegal. Let’s hope the POA gets a chance to put their motion - then we can see the union leaders wrigglingon the hook and the screws all banged up for illegally striking. No lose situation.

 

Why do you want screws banged up?

[shoeshine 10]

A nice rant but completely untrue, the last few years have seen cuts in Civil Service jobs up and down the country and plenty of early severence packages to reduce headcount. As you can see from these statistics in the last 3 years the Civil Service has literally been decimated (well almost no one was executed).

 

 

 

Again untrue. Stress I think is a fairly good indicator of the difficulty of a job and working conditions. Something suffered more in the public sector than in the private sector. Study. And before you respond, if you check the link you will see that overall sickness absence rates beteen the public and private sector are comparable and that Civil Servants are more likely to work when they are sick.

 

Aside from the statistics I have personal experience of people who's lives have been destroyed by stress and overwork in the Civil Service. I also know people that have been sacked, some justly some not so justly, exactly the same as you would find in any private sector company.

 

 

 

From your disparaging remarks and tired cliches, it seems apparent that you have no understanding of the public sector ethos and the desire you find in most public sector workers to do the best job that they can because they are working for the public often helping some of the most vulnerable people in society.

 

Some of us care about the standards of service that Civil Servants provide, I am sure you too have been critical in the past. How do you think standards will be improved if we allow pay to fall even lower than it already is?

 

If Civil Servants aren't paid better then regretfully many will be forced by the economics to take your advice, taking with them the experience needed to deal with the complexities of Civil Service work, that even at the lower grades often require 3 months or more specialised training.

 

The many of us that do care about public sector service provision will do everything we can afford to do to enhance and prevent any further deterioration in the services we deliver.

 

Your advice and your understanding are born out of a complete lack of understanding and meanspirited selfishness that thankfully you won't find replicated in many Civil Servants who have gone on strike and will go on strike to protect the services we deliver even if they are for the benefit of thankless people like you.

 

So you do work in the Civil Service!

[beryllium 10]

Public sector workers still need to pay the mortgage and bills and with REAL inflation being 8%+ and receiving pay rises below official rates of inflation, it'll hit them hard. Unfortunately, things are no better in the private sector and raising taxes will only exacerbate people's misery. So what can be done? Raise money through even more borrowing? That's probably what'll happen given the government's record but it'll make things worse in the longer term. Yes, it will probably be a winter of discontent but if the unions really think there's a quick fix to this financial mess then they're completely deluded.

[shoeshine 10]

 

Note that it was Thatch who sold off British Gas, and if she hadn't, the Government would have been able to cap rises. Now they can't even make them stop charging the poorest on meters more than everyone else.

 

Note carefully that "the Government" own nothing.

 

The "taxpayer" foots the bill for everything; a thought which never appears to have occurred to those who's profligacy in spending £Billions of taxpayers contributions to the economy so wastefully and ineffectually over the last decade is little short of a scandal.

[ANTIFA 10]

Why do you want screws banged up?

 

Have you been in prison? the people who do this job are in simple words just people who to be frank are failed police men and would you trust most of them?