University tuition fees review

[Cyclone]

There is no evidence of this. Not only are more people going (and applying to go) to University then when tuition fees were lower (or non existent) but the number of people from poorer backgrounds going to University has also increased.

 

Whilst this is true, there are measurable differences depending on the student background.

Poorer youngsters are still much less likely to go to university than their better-off classmates.

 

There is a brutal economic symmetry to this. Each upward notch in affluence is linked to a higher entry rate into university.

 

I suspect that this was always the case though, it's partly to do with cost, but also to do with aspiration, educational achievement so far, and parental support/encouragement.

[ENG601PM]

Whilst this is true, there are measurable differences depending on the student background.

 

 

I suspect that this was always the case though, it's partly to do with cost, but also to do with aspiration, educational achievement so far, and parental support/encouragement.

 

A return to grammar schools. Give the future ditch digger a route to get a leg up.

 

Just though I would throw that in.

[Naive]

Abolishing tuition fees would be very regressive. It would cost billions, but have no benefit to the poor whatsoever. It would however amount to a 'tax cut' (or increase in take home wage) for higher earners, paid for from the wages of everyone - including low earners. That doesn't seem like a good idea to me.

 

Maybe we should increase the rate of tax paid by the rich too.

 

Then we could cut taxes further for the poorest, or afford better healthcare for them.

 

Nice to see you adopting some socialist principles.

[Cyclone]

Interesting analysis here

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-40511184

 

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A return to grammar schools. Give the future ditch digger a route to get a leg up.

 

Just though I would throw that in.

 

If he's digging ditches after comprehensive school, then there's pretty much no chance that he would have attended a grammar school.

Grammar schools favour the well off, they can afford the tutors to help the marginal students scrape in, and then being amongst brighter students, with possibly better teaching standards, they do better than they otherwise would have done.

[ENG601PM]

Maybe we should increase the rate of tax paid by the rich too.

 

Then we could cut taxes further for the poorest, or afford better healthcare for them.

 

Nice to see you adopting some socialist principles.

A couple of points.

The Tory's cut tax for both the rich and the poor and guess what, the tax receipts went up and so did NHS funding.

Second, the so called "rich" (though what that means is debatable) pay most of the tax in the UK already.

 

I think we can dismiss your socialist principles for the nonsense they are.

 

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Interesting analysis here

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-40511184

 

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If he's digging ditches after comprehensive school, then there's pretty much no chance that he would have attended a grammar school.

Grammar schools favour the well off, they can afford the tutors to help the marginal students scrape in, and then being amongst brighter students, with possibly better teaching standards, they do better than they otherwise would have done.

 

Oh, I genuinely didn't have you down for that kind of elitist social bias nonsense Cyclone.

[truman]

The fees should be replaced with something else, maybe a graduate tax. Seems a lot fairer.

 

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Not sure how that's different from fees really...

[Obelix]

What do you think?

 

I think you are dodging the comments about the BBC. Why are you cherry picking what you choose to beleive from them?

[Naive]

A couple of points.

The Tory's cut tax for both the rich and the poor and guess what, the tax receipts went up and so did NHS funding.

Second, the so called "rich" (though what that means is debatable) pay most of the tax in the UK already.

 

I think we can dismiss your socialist principles for the nonsense they are.

 

I should have known better than to expect any intellectual honesty, or consistency from you.

 

My suggestion is a direct corollary to your ditch digger defence of tuition fees.

 

Or, are you only in favour of increasing taxes for the young and well educated wealthy?

[truman]

Yes, that's true. I've tried to Google it but have found conflicting answers, so I've no idea where the BBC got their statistics from. But the main point is UK university fees are 'among' the highest in the world, would you agree with that?

 

I just want to know why?

 

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What's the standard of our universities compared to the rest? Genuine question..

[ENG601PM]

I should have known better than to expect any intellectual honesty, or consistency from you.

 

My suggestion is a direct corollary to your ditch digger defence of tuition fees.

 

Or, are you only in favour of increasing taxes for the young and well educated wealthy?

 

Take your time then, construct your argument, gather your references, and post it instead of letting me guess. I'll wait for you.

 

Off you pop.