Jim Hardie   533 #49 Posted July 26, 2017 depends whether now or past,if past Derek Dooley as hes our biggest post war goal scorer lane,kay and swan and peter springett now or recent times chris woods waddle hirst forresteri jack whittam todays team are a average team compared to many of our past players in my opinion  Peter Springett and Chris Woods? Blimey. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
WasThatWise   10 #50 Posted July 26, 2017 Tony Currie Brian Deane Jamie Murphy Harry Maguire Alex Sabella Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
stpetre   12 #51 Posted July 26, 2017 (edited) Peter Springett and Chris Woods? Blimey.  Well he might have added the likes of Colin West , Archie Irvine or Sammy Todd to that list. Peter Springett wasn't all that bad the defence was, after the likes of Don Megson, Vic Mobley and Wilf Smith moved on (Sam Ellis was still there) and after Peter moved to Barnsley, he quit the game to become a 'copper'.  ---------- Post added 26-07-2017 at 17:53 ----------  Derek Dooley as 'Our biggest post- war scorer' ? I think that accolade belongs to John Fantham, both of them born in Pitsmoor tho'. Edited July 26, 2017 by stpetre Add Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Jim Hardie   533 #52 Posted July 26, 2017 Derek Dooley as 'Our biggest post- war scorer' ? I think that accolade belongs to John Fantham, both of them born in Pitsmoor tho'.  Not our biggest scorer but a Wednesday record that will never be beaten. 46 league goals in a 42 game season that only began for him 12 games in. This included 22 goals in 9 matches and 5 goals in 32 minutes. How many would he have got if he'd been picked in August instead of October? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
stpetre   12 #53 Posted July 26, 2017 (edited) Yes Jim, I thought that that's what the poster might have meant and Derek was 'bigger' in stature as he was taller than John Fantham. And as for how many would he got ? Well great question a la in Derek's style ,the ball, the opponent's goalie and Derek himself would end up in the back of the net (goal given.) A technique later used by the well built hustler's -Tommy Taylor (Man. Utd), Bobby Smith (Spurs) both Yorkshiremen by the way and Nat Lofthouse (Bolton).  ---------- Post added 26-07-2017 at 20:08 ----------  Not our biggest scorer but a Wednesday record that will never be beaten. 46 league goals in a 42 game season that only began for him 12 games in. This included 22 goals in 9 matches and 5 goals in 32 minutes. How many would he have got if he'd been picked in August instead of October?  If I had to name a great Owls side of five players then that would be ; Springett, Johnson, Megson, McAnearey, Swan and Kay (three south Yorkshire lads in there), The defence. While I'm at it; Wilkinson, Craig, Ellis, Fantham, Finney. (two Sheffield born lads ( and Tony Kay) in that). Edited July 26, 2017 by stpetre Add Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Southey owl   10 #54 Posted July 26, 2017 (edited) If I had to name a great Owls side of five players then that would be ; Springett, Johnson, Megson, McAnearey, Swan and Kay (three south Yorkshire lads in there), The defence. While I'm at it; Wilkinson, Craig, Ellis, Fantham, Finney. (two Sheffield born lads ( and Tony Kay) in that).  Five of the greatest players to wear an Owls shirt played in the same forward line of the Derek Dooley era , can't believe other than Dooley anyone else has'nt got a mention !  Here's my line - up below . . .  Jackie Sewell - Albert Quixall - Derek Dooley - Johnny Fantham - Redfern Froggatt .  All 4 - Sheffield born lads except Sewell . All 4 - except Dooley achieved full England caps.  Surely Dooley without his career ending injury at Deepdale would have also joined this greatest forward line the Owls have ever produced , and gained an England cap for his scoring ability .  If only Carlos had this quality of a forward line at his disposal today , for the 2017 / 18 season . . . automatics just might be achieved .  But then again . . . would they get the service ? I'm not quite certain they would . . . does anyone know ? Edited July 26, 2017 by Southey owl Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
stpetre   12 #55 Posted July 27, 2017 (edited) If I had to name a great Owls side of five players then that would be ; Springett, Johnson, Megson, McAnearey, Swan and Kay (three south Yorkshire lads in there), The defence. While I'm at it; Wilkinson, Craig, Ellis, Fantham, Finney. (two Sheffield born lads ( and Tony Kay) in that).  Five of the greatest players to wear an Owls shirt played in the same forward line of the Derek Dooley era , can't believe other than Dooley anyone else has'nt got a mention !  Here's my line - up below . . .  Jackie Sewell - Albert Quixall - Derek Dooley - Johnny Fantham - Redfern Froggatt . Yes Southey, Some of those have been mentioned but (now I'm quoting my dad) some of those 'great defenders' behind them (Fantham era excluded)ie: Walter Bingley, Norman Curtis, Cyril 'Mother' Turton and a bloke they got from one of the Bradford clubs who when defending a corner at the Kop end had no difficulty (when he should be facing the other way) into directing the ball- with his head no less- almost into Penistone Road, perhaps that was Turton ? As of the Quixall-Froggatt-Dooley era, I think the wingers, Dave Cargill and Dennis Woodhead might have been Sheffield lads. Edited July 27, 2017 by stpetre Delete Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Southey owl   10 #56 Posted July 27, 2017 (edited) stpetre ,  Five of the greatest players to wear an Owls shirt played in the same forward line of the Derek Dooley era , can't believe other than Dooley anyone else has'nt got a mention !  Here's my line - up below . . .  Jackie Sewell - Albert Quixall - Derek Dooley - Johnny Fantham - Redfern Froggatt .  Yes Southey, Some of those have been mentioned but (now I'm quoting my dad) some of those 'great defenders' behind them (Fantham era excluded)ie: Walter Bingley, Norman Curtis, Cyril 'Mother' Turton and a bloke they got from one of the Bradford clubs who when defending a corner at the Kop end had no difficulty (when he should be facing the other way) into directing the ball- with his head no less- almost into Penistone Road, perhaps that was Turton ? As of the Quixall-Froggatt-Dooley era, I think the wingers, Dave Cargill and Dennis Woodhead might have been Sheffield lads.  After leaving school, Dooley and Froggatt played both played for Sheffield YMCA. Like Dooley and Fantham i too was born at Pitsmoor ,but brought up in the same ' neck of the woods ' as 'Golden Boy ' Albert Quixall . . . Southey /Parson Cross.  Dave Cargill was Scots born, whilst Dennis Woodhead was like the previous lads Sheffield born . . . in fact at Hillsborough, near to his beloved Sheffield Wednesday.  Regarding Cyril 'Mother ' Turton , yes it was him, and he was widely known throughout as being able 'to run faster backwards than he could run forwards '. Edited July 27, 2017 by Southey owl Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
stpetre   12 #57 Posted July 27, 2017 (edited) stpetre , Five of the greatest players to wear an Owls shirt played in the same forward line of the Derek Dooley era , can't believe other than Dooley anyone else has'nt got a mention !  Here's my line - up below . . .  Jackie Sewell - Albert Quixall - Derek Dooley - Johnny Fantham - Redfern Froggatt .  Yes Southey, Some of those have been mentioned but (now I'm quoting my dad) some of those 'great defenders' behind them (Fantham era excluded)ie: Walter Bingley, Norman Curtis, Cyril 'Mother' Turton and a bloke they got from one of the Bradford clubs who when defending a corner at the Kop end had no difficulty (when he should be facing the other way) into directing the ball- with his head no less- almost into Penistone Road, perhaps that was Turton ? As of the Quixall-Froggatt-Dooley era, I think the wingers, Dave Cargill and Dennis Woodhead might have been Sheffield lads.  After leaving school, Dooley and Froggatt played both played for Sheffield YMCA. Like Dooley and Fantham i too was born at Pitsmoor ,but brought up in the same ' neck of the woods ' as 'Golden Boy ' Albert Quixall . . . Southey /Parson Cross.  Dave Cargill was Scots born, whilst Dennis Woodhead was like the previous lads Sheffield born . . . in fact at Hillsborough, near to his beloved Sheffield Wednesday.  Regarding Cyril 'Mother ' Turton , yes it was him, and he was widely known throughout as being able 'to run faster backwards than he could run forwards '.  Thank you SoutheyOwl, I thought that was Turton (I was too young to see him play) and the reference 'could run faster backwards than forwards' I've heard a few times, The nickmame he had,' Mother', wonder how that came about ? as -according to my late dad- was far from effeminate or had any maternal instincts especially when opponents were running at him and Cyril was facing the right way. 'Din't mess abart that bloke', my dad may have put it. Edited July 27, 2017 by stpetre add Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Jim Hardie   533 #58 Posted July 27, 2017 Thank you SoutheyOwl, I thought that was Turton (I was too young to see him play) and the reference 'could run faster backwards than forwards' I've heard a few times, The nickmame he had,' Mother', wonder how that came about ? as -according to my late dad- was far from effeminate or had any maternal instincts especially when opponents were running at him and Cyril was facing the right way. 'Din't mess abart that bloke', my dad may have put it.  https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=cyril+turton&client=safari&hl=en-gb&prmd=niv&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&fir=I9dSmTqp-haw8M%253A%252CCdcMV3qAn3rheM%252C_%253Be2VEDqzvyvRYcM%253A%252CHDDLJnrAw8xvGM%252C_%253BONcZvqzmuEY0yM%253A%252CYE7o0e39AeFlgM%252C_%253BPmGMtnofKEXhjM%253A%252CAQDwmQkOyIoxHM%252C_%253BSb4wGTTraJkk1M%253A%252CHAGvt6d-N48iRM%252C_%253BqVP9pfS9mUg4AM%253A%252CBxS7q0zY2UUoIM%252C_%253B_ZxmUHdnmOF1SM%253A%252CCdcMV3qAn3rheM%252C_%253B66CuG8lVzMhBJM%253A%252CaXYVmNEAN-ybAM%252C_%253B_I1luYzl13rDqM%253A%252CAX3BcES2Ogy_tM%252C_%253BsvflqdFvdpPxoM%253A%252C9p33jkfCNpVxRM%252C_&usg=__tle8RM014PMu0563LALaq4gu3bI%3D&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwirjujesKrVAhXIDsAKHYY7DmcQsAQIOg&biw=1024&bih=649#imgrc=Dh-zx6jrQ6BXkM:  He's still with us apparently, he'll be 96 in September. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
stpetre   12 #59 Posted July 27, 2017 (edited) https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=cyril+turton&client=safari&hl=en-gb&prmd=niv&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&fir=I9dSmTqp-haw8M%253A%252CCdcMV3qAn3rheM%252C_%253Be2VEDqzvyvRYcM%253A%252CHDDLJnrAw8xvGM%252C_%253BONcZvqzmuEY0yM%253A%252CYE7o0e39AeFlgM%252C_%253BPmGMtnofKEXhjM%253A%252CAQDwmQkOyIoxHM%252C_%253BSb4wGTTraJkk1M%253A%252CHAGvt6d-N48iRM%252C_%253BqVP9pfS9mUg4AM%253A%252CBxS7q0zY2UUoIM%252C_%253B_ZxmUHdnmOF1SM%253A%252CCdcMV3qAn3rheM%252C_%253B66CuG8lVzMhBJM%253A%252CaXYVmNEAN-ybAM%252C_%253B_I1luYzl13rDqM%253A%252CAX3BcES2Ogy_tM%252C_%253BsvflqdFvdpPxoM%253A%252C9p33jkfCNpVxRM%252C_&usg=__tle8RM014PMu0563LALaq4gu3bI%3D&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwirjujesKrVAhXIDsAKHYY7DmcQsAQIOg&biw=1024&bih=649#imgrc=Dh-zx6jrQ6BXkM: He's still with us apparently, he'll be 96 in September.  Jim McCalliog wasn't too bad an Owl's player either ! Edited July 27, 2017 by stpetre Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Southey owl   10 #60 Posted July 27, 2017 Thank you SoutheyOwl, I thought that was Turton (I was too young to see him play) and the reference 'could run faster backwards than forwards' I've heard a few times, The nickmame he had 'Mother', wonder how that came about ? as -according to my late dad- was far from effeminate or had any maternal instincts especially when opponents were running at him and Cyril was facing the right way. 'Din't mess abart that bloke', my dad may have put it.  Hi stpeter and Jim Hardie,  Here's a photo of the Wednesday team. . . 1951/52 League Div 2 Champions. Just thought both of you would like to see, including Cyril ' Mother ' Turton the no nonsense tough tackling ' Centre Half ' as they were known back then. 'Mother 'stood proudly between the legendary Dooley and hard man Norman Curtis.  http://www.sheffieldhistory.co.uk/forums/topic/546-sheffield-wednesday-1951/52-team.  Note : Alan Brown coach who later led Wednesday to the 1966 FA Cup Final v Everton .  Regarding your question re : 'Mother'... i like most,never found out its origin . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...