The Consequences of Brexit (part 2)

[unbeliever 10]

Yes, the banking crash was such a feature of strong growth.

 

This is not a banking crash thread. Suffice to remind you that this was not a bursting bubble but a massive failure of government regulation.

 

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As was the disappearance of heavy industries in the 80s from places like Sheffield, and, ironically, the North east - which has done so, so well since then.

 

I know it's not nice, but allowing industries which are no longer good value to fail is the only reasonable option. If you force us to buy our steel from the UK instead of China then we have to pay a lot more from it which makes absolutely everything else in the economy more expensive.

Creative description is not a nice way to run things, but it's the only way which works. You have to focus on growing the economy over-all as otherwise you cannot lift the standard of living of the majority.

[alchresearch 215]

Today Microsoft have announced price rises and using Brexit as the excuse.

[unbeliever 10]

Today Microsoft have announced price rises and using Brexit as the excuse.

 

Get Linux. It's free. Ubuntu is quite good for beginners, although I like Centos.

[tinfoilhat 11]

This is not a banking crash thread. Suffice to remind you that this was not a bursting bubble but a massive failure of government regulation.

 

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I know it's not nice, but allowing industries which are no longer good value to fail is the only reasonable option. If you force us to buy our steel from the UK instead of China then we have to pay a lot more from it which makes absolutely everything else in the economy more expensive.

Creative description is not a nice way to run things, but it's the only way which works. You have to focus on growing the economy over-all as otherwise you cannot lift the standard of living of the majority.

 

Overall, and I'll use place like Sunderland but you could equally use the former coalfields, do you their standard of living has improved? Unemployment is high already in many of those areas with the social problems to match. Things are going to get worse - which is fair enough, they've voted for it. But they haven't fully recovered from the 80s yet.

 

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Get Linux. It's free. Ubuntu is quite good for beginners, although I like Centos.

 

Great. Does it run Sage?

[unbeliever 10]

Overall, and I'll use place like Sunderland but you could equally use the former coalfields, do you their standard of living has improved? Unemployment is high already in many of those areas with the social problems to match. Things are going to get worse - which is fair enough, they've voted for it. But they haven't fully recovered from the 80s yet.

 

But the damage to the wider economy from saving it would have been worse.

 

 

Great. Does it run Sage?

 

There are several applications called Sage. Which one?

[Tomjames 10]

Today Microsoft have announced price rises and using Brexit as the excuse.

 

The UK had a decent shot at recovery, we were doing OK at 3% growth before brexit.

 

Now price rises expected across the board as interest rates rise. The Japanese FDI will be next, 140K jobs at stake. Pound tanking and still a 90bn annual deficit and 1.5 trillion national debt to deal with. Further central government cuts and local council cuts inevitable.

 

Blame the leave turkeys for making us all poorer.

 

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Has anyone get any real predictions about the future of the economy?

 

 

Uncertainty, recession, job losses. Emigrate if you can.

[InigoMontoya 10]

Today Microsoft have announced price rises and using Brexit as the excuse.

 

No they aren't

 

Today Microsoft have announced price rises and cited the fall in the value of the pound against the €uro as their justification.

 

It's not been universally accepted by Microsoft's customers:

 

http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2016/10/24/microsoft_price_rises/

 

 

Customers may remember that in 2012 Microsoft aligned pricing for most EU customers to the euro, which led to some price rises for users in the UK. But in the last year, the UK pound has slumped in value.

 

The Euro has appreciated more than 21 per cent since November when £1 equated to €1.42, and by nearly 14 per cent since the EU referendum, £1 is now worth €1.12.

 

Suppliers told us they could understand the excuse reasons Microsoft had used for the rises, but were unable to explain the differential between the cloud and on-premise increases and some didn’t buy Microsoft’s excuses.

 

 

[alchresearch 215]

Get Linux. It's free. Ubuntu is quite good for beginners, although I like Centos.

 

Microsoft produce more than just Windows you know.

 

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No they aren't

 

Today Microsoft have announced price rises and cited the fall in the value of the pound against the €uro as their justification.

 

It's not been universally accepted by Microsoft's customers:

 

http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2016/10/24/microsoft_price_rises/

 

Don't Shoot the Messenger. The Register's headline for the article was:

 

Microsoft: We're hiking UK cloud prices 22%. Stop whining: It's the Brexit

[unbeliever 10]

Microsoft produce more than just Windows you know.

 

Their monopoly is long gone.

LibreOffice perhaps?

Also runs on windows and mac in case you already have them, and it can handle MS office documents.

Comes pre-packed with most linux distributions. As does a mass of other stuff.

 

Buying Microsoft software is like getting your gas and electric from the big 6. Shop around or get robbed.

That's how the free market works. In this case, software is often so cheap to produce that many don't even charge for it.

Edited October 24, 2016 by unbeliever

[the_bloke 17]

In the meantime, a small region of Belgium is managing to put the kybosh on a new trade deal between the EU and Canada, which affects 28 countries (including ours) of which all their respective leaders have said it is fine.

 

This is equivalent to a post Brexit UK not being able to create a new trade deal with another nation because Bedford council doesn't like it.

[Flexo 10]

In the meantime, a small region of Belgium is managing to put the kybosh on a new trade deal between the EU and Canada, which affects 28 countries (including ours) of which all their respective leaders have said it is fine.

 

This is equivalent to a post Brexit UK not being able to create a new trade deal with another nation because Bedford council doesn't like it.

 

Wallonia has 30% of Belgiums's population, so the Bedford analogy only holds if you think Bedford has a population of 20 million.

 

The EU is very democratic like this. We have Wallonia to thank for stopping CETA and France to thank for stopping TTIP.

 

The UK govt would just agree to anything proposed by big business without bothering to read it.

 

Reasons why CETA is bad:

http://www.globaljustice.org.uk/stop-ceta

http://waronwant.org/what-ceta

https://campaign.goingtowork.org.uk/petitions/stop-ceta-ttip-s-dangerous-cousin

https://secure.38degrees.org.uk/page/s/eu-ttip-petition#petition

 

Thanks Wallonia - don't cave in!

[ez8004 10]

Wallonia has 30% of Belgiums's population, so the Bedford analogy only holds if you think Bedford has a population of 20 million.

 

The EU is very democratic like this. We have Wallonia to thank for stopping CETA and France to thank for stopping TTIP.

 

The UK govt would just agree to anything proposed by big business without bothering to read it.

 

Reasons why CETA is bad:

http://www.globaljustice.org.uk/stop-ceta

http://waronwant.org/what-ceta

https://campaign.goingtowork.org.uk/petitions/stop-ceta-ttip-s-dangerous-cousin

https://secure.38degrees.org.uk/page/s/eu-ttip-petition#petition

 

Thanks Wallonia - don't cave in!

 

So it took 7 years for Canada to get here and not actually get the deal done. Meanwhile, the UK has 2 years and more than one region in the EU who want to punish us. We are screwed.