Corbyn offers to do a televised debate with Cameron

[srt2016 10]

Apparently You are missing the ability to understand the written word.

 

Or your evading the question?

[foxy lady 10]

Or your evading the question?

 

No I'll stick with my first assessment. Perhaps you should read my post again.

[Alan Ladd 10]

Excuse me for asking,but how do you know the 'general electorate' would like to exclude them from the voting process? Most have never given their opinion to anyone have they,or am i missing something?

 

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Hell of a coincidence?

 

What you are missing is the fact that for the last hundred years any party wishing to win an election has to appeal to what may be called the "centre" i.e. those voters who are not dogmatic in their choices, will vote for competence rather than philosophy, work and contribute.

 

On this basis Corbyn can never win an election. He is a member of an extreme left, outdated clique exemplified by his shadow chancellor and people like Livingstone.

 

I tend to vote Tory, but fear that with such a weak, directionless and untried Labour party we are heading for a one party system. This is not healthy and there should be a re alignment of the left including the Liberals to encourage positive opposition and balance.

[PeteMorris 10]

What you are missing is the fact that for the last hundred years any party wishing to win an election has to appeal to what may be called the "centre" i.e. those voters who are not dogmatic in their choices, will vote for competence rather than philosophy, work and contribute.

 

On this basis Corbyn can never win an election. He is a member of an extreme left, outdated clique exemplified by his shadow chancellor and people like Livingstone.

 

I tend to vote Tory, but fear that with such a weak, directionless and untried Labour party we are heading for a one party system. This is not healthy and there should be a re alignment of the left including the Liberals to encourage positive opposition and balance.

 

I've never voted Tory in my life, and as it stands probably never will. But I'm even more certain I'd never, ever vote for labour, while Corbyn and his merry men/women are in opposition. It's so bad (for me) that I'm actually embarrassed to be English with an opposition this incompetent and outdated.

[T_e_r_e_s_A 10]

The last time he was in a televised debate the questions were ok'ed first

[Alan Ladd 10]

I've never voted Tory in my life, and as it stands probably never will. But I'm even more certain I'd never, ever vote for labour, while Corbyn and his merry men/women are in opposition. It's so bad (for me) that I'm actually embarrassed to be English with an opposition this incompetent and outdated.

 

You make a very important point. People like yourself, who sincerely hold the views you do are entitled to be represented. Good men and women have made huge sacrifices to improve the lot of working people and in doing so have enriched our society to the benefit of all, they have done this through their membership and activism in the Labour party.

 

What we see before us in Corbyn and Co is a perversion of Labour. Can you imagine what Attlee, or Bevin would have made of this lot?

 

It is against our national interest to have such a weak opposition no matter what your politics are. My opinion is that eventually all governments run out of steam, at that point there should be a loyal opposition capable of coming in and rejuvenating politics.

 

Labour should be formulating its policies in the interests of the country, as it is we could be seeing one party, the conservatives, becoming unbeatable, even as a Tory myself I see the danger in that.

[Quik 10]

I've never voted Tory in my life, and as it stands probably never will. But I'm even more certain I'd never, ever vote for labour, while Corbyn and his merry men/women are in opposition. It's so bad (for me) that I'm actually embarrassed to be English with an opposition this incompetent and outdated.

 

Quite. Our lass is much more party political than I am and has been a Labour member all her adult life, been a councilour for then in the past and is very much a Labour person. She won't be voting for them if corbyns still in charge in 2020.

[banjodeano 31]

Are you sure its not you thats been suckered? Corbyn is not really a politician, he is a political activist, believing and spinning a set of beliefs that are about 50 years out of date.

 

On top of that you see a man who initially invited others with differing opinions into his circle and then, when they expressed those opinions sacked them. This is a sign of latent megalomania.

 

Corbyn is not a clown. He is a dangerous political opportunist with a rabid following. Like Hitler.

Having the beliefs of a fairer and equal society for everybody, not just a few, can never be out of date.?

That sounds like a courageous politician to me, he tried to accommodate people of different views, but when those people just want to cause internal warfare and not fight the real enemy, for the unity of the party then they have to go.

Rabid following like Hitler?

are you really serious? How you can compare Corbyn supporters with Hitlers black shirts is beyond comprehension:mad:

Well....they do look nasty now you mention it

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/simon-danczuk-labour-mps-rochdale-constituents-say-latest-scandal-is-last-thing-the-town-needs-a6796686.html

[Quik 10]

Having the beliefs of a fairer and equal society for everybody, not just a few, can never be out of date.?

That sounds like a courageous politician to me, he tried to accommodate people of different views, but when those people just want to cause internal warfare and not fight the real enemy, for the unity of the party then they have to go.

Rabid following like Hitler?

are you really serious? How you can compare Corbyn supporters with Hitlers black shirts is beyond comprehension:mad:

Well....they do look nasty now you mention it

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/simon-danczuk-labour-mps-rochdale-constituents-say-latest-scandal-is-last-thing-the-town-needs-a6796686.html

 

Communism is dead. Labour can accept that fact or follow corbyn and die with it.

[MLAR 10]

The problem that Corbyn faces is the majority of Labour MPs don't support him or his policies.

 

The real problem is that most Labour voter do support Corbyn. That's where his huge majority came from.

 

Maybe the froth from the right wing press is fear. Fear of Corbyn. Fear of true egalitarianism. Fear of proper socialism.

 

After all, capitalism has proven itself to be catastrophically bad for us over many years. Just look at the state that we are in.

[the_bloke 17]

Having the beliefs of a fairer and equal society for everybody, not just a few, can never be out of date.?

 

Have you read the Labour manifesto of 1983? The bulk of Corbyn's socialist policies are identical to the infamous 'Longest Suicide Note In History'. Rejected at a time when unemployment was high, interest rates were high and far more of the country was in public ownership, conditions that should have been ripe for a Tory battering. There is a very strong chance that Labour will be rejected by the country on a similar scale in 2020 if it goes to the polls with Grandad Jeremy's policies.

 

It's been compared to Corbyn's policies as follows:

 

1983 manifesto: Launch a massive programme for expansion, providing a major increase in public investment, including transport, housing and energy conservation

Corbyn: Our national infrastructure – energy, housing, transport, digital – is outdated, leaving the UK lagging behind other developed economies. You cannot cut your way to prosperity. We need to invest in our future. We need public investment in new publicly-owned infrastructure so that a future chancellor can deliver a sound economy, not just sound-bites.

 

1983 manifesto: Create a new National Investment Bank

Corbyn: Create a National Investment Bank to invest in the new infrastructure we need and in the hi-tech and innovative industries of the future.

 

1983 manifesto: Repeal Tory legislation on industrial relations

Corbyn: Britain has the most restrictive anti-union laws in western Europe, and this government is about to tighten them further. This will have one clear effect: to increase inequality. It will be repealed under a Labour government if I am leader.

 

1983 manifesto: Raise child benefits, uprate the pension, provide at least 3% more for the NHS, improve personal social services like meals on wheels and home helps with a 4% increase, spend more on education

Corbyn: Growth and higher wages are key to bringing down the deficit. Increased tax receipts and lower benefit demand are “a better way forward than shutting local libraries and attacking the working poor”.

 

Paying for his “social justice” agenda will come in the form of asking “fortunate” people to contribute more. He believes the money could come from increased corporation taxes for wealthy companies as well as a crackdown on tax avoidance, evasion and debts, which he says totals some £120bn. That money would be enough to double the NHS budget.

 

1983 manifesto: Improve child care and other social services, promote women’s rights

Corbyn: Has promised to do more to tackle discrimination in the workplace, at home or on the streets. He would reverse the closure of domestic violence shelters. He wants to see laws on sexual assault and protection from harassment are implemented. In the workplace, Mr Corbyn wants to see all companies publish details of their equal pay arrangements, not just larger firms. He also wants to see more women into work with the introduction of universal childcare. In Parliament, he says he wants to have a Cabinet made up of 50% women and wants to “work towards” 50% of all Labour MPs being women.

 

1983 manifesto: Stop the nuclear energy programme and devise a new Plan for Coal

Corbyn: I am opposed to new nuclear on the basis of the dangers posed to our ecosystems. New nuclear power will mean the continued production of dangerous nuclear waste and an increased risk from radioactive accident and nuclear proliferation. The government plans to subsidise new nuclear power plants to the tune of £77bn, despite the cost of cleaning up the existing nuclear waste reaching £100bn.

 

Despite opposing fossil fuel subsidies, Corbyn has floated the idea of reopening the South Wales coalfield with clean carbon technology – something critics say is impractical.

 

1983 manifesto: Give more help to public transport, with funds to improve services, keep down fares and increase investment especially in rail electrification and better freight facilities

Corbyn: Promises “massive investment” in public transport.

 

1983 manifesto: Act to improve the environment and deal with pollution

Corbyn: I would bring together a coalition of the majority, to move on from wasteful, polluting and unequal economic approach to our environment and instead democratise our economy to reduce inequality and promote sustainable development within the Earth’s resource limits.

 

1983 manifesto: Borrow “to finance our programme of investment”

Corbyn: Backing a programme of high public spending, Corbyn says we should “borrow to invest in our future prosperity.”

 

1983 manifesto: Accepts the need for immigration controls, but will introduce immigration laws which do not discriminate against women, black or Asian Britons

Corbyn: I think the whole narrative on immigration has been quite unpleasant, it fails to recognise the huge contribution migrants have made to this country... we should let people into this country who are desperate to get somewhere safe to live.”

 

1983 manifesto: Give a new priority to open government

Corbyn: Strongly opposes moves to water down the Freedom of Information Act.

 

1983 manifesto: Abolish the legislative powers of the House of Lords

Corbyn: I believe we should have a proportionately-represented elected second chamber and in ending hereditary peerages.

 

1983 manifesto: Cancel the Trident nuclear weapons programme

Corbyn: Not renewing Trident gives our country an opportunity to invest in industry, innovation and infrastructure that will rebalance our economy and transform it into a high skilled, high-tech world leading economy.

 

1983 manifesto: Maintain support for Nato, but seek to persuade it to adopt a non-nuclear strategy

Corbyn: Has berated the “enormous expansion of Nato into a global force” and urged a “serious debate about Britain’s overall defence and foreign policy” (including the nuclear deterrent) as Nato membership has brought us enormous levels of military expenditure and... involved us in countless conflicts”.

 

1983 manifesto: Launch an offensive against low pay

Corbyn: The introduction of a statutory £10 an hour living wage for all workers, including replace the current £2.73 per hour apprenticeship rate with an equalisation of a higher, £10 living wage across the board.

 

1983 manifesto: Return to public ownership the public assets hived off by the Tories. We will establish a significant public stake in electronics, pharmaceuticals, health equipment and building materials, and also in other important sectors, as required in the national interest

Corbyn: Backs the return of Royal Mail to public ownership and would like the gas and national grid to be state-owned. Would like the Big Six energy suppliers to be publicly owned by a mixture of local, community and national government bodies.

 

1983 manifesto: Withdraw from the European Community (the then name for the European Union) without a referendum

Corbyn: While not anti-EU per se, he is strongly opposed to many of its key features, and like the continental far-left he wants it to focus less on facilitating trade and more on reining in the perceived excesses of global capitalism.

 

1983 manifesto: Reform taxation so the rich “pay their full share” and the tax burden on the lower paid is reduced

Corbyn: Increased tax receipts and lower benefit demand are a better way forward than shutting local libraries and attacking the working poor. If there are tough choices, we will always protect public services and support for the most vulnerable. Instead we will ask those who have been fortunate to contribute a little more. Paying tax is not a burden. It is the subscription we pay to live in a civilised society. A collective payment we all make for the collective goods we all benefit from: schools, hospitals, libraries, street lights, pensions, the list is endless. Our tax system has shifted over the last generation from taxing income and wealth to taxing consumption; and from taxing corporations to taxing individuals.

 

1983 manifesto: Working people are entitled to a decent income when they lose their job through circumstances beyond their control. An improved earnings-related supplement will once again be paid during the first months of unemployment

Corbyn: We are one of the richest countries in the world and there is absolutely no reason why anybody should have to live in poverty. Welfare has been under constant attack from the coalition government with people such as the disabled, the unemployed and the retired have all been portrayed scroungers and layabouts and as a result immense damage has been caused by cutting they money given to those who need it the most. We now have draconian benefit sanctions, workfare schemes which force people to work for well below the minimum wage. There has been tremendous grassroots action to counter the cuts to welfare from groups such as Disabled People Rising Against Cuts, Boycott Workfare and numerous others. This is action that I fully support and encourage.

 

1983 manifesto: We reject the Tory proposals for student loans, and we will ensure students are given adequate financial support

Corbyn: An end to all tuition fees in further and higher education. The restoration of student grants, Education Maintenance Allowance and Disabled Students Allowance

 

 

Sources;

 

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/how-jeremy-corbyns-policies-compare-9853652

http://www.politicsresources.net/area/uk/man/lab83.htm

Edited January 8, 2016 by the_bloke

[Eric Arthur 10]

The real problem is that most Labour voter do support Corbyn. That's where his huge majority came from.

 

Maybe the froth from the right wing press is fear. Fear of Corbyn. Fear of true egalitarianism. Fear of proper socialism.

 

After all, capitalism has proven itself to be catastrophically bad for us over many years. Just look at the state that we are in.

 

The right wing press is laughing, not fearing. It's not Labour members and voters that Corbyn needs to appeal to.