Christians now fleeing from the islamists Iraq

[Bounce 10]

The members of ISIS and their beliefs are to blame for the action they are taking.

 

If Iraq had bombed and invaded Britain killing and displacing millions causing a break down in law and order which allowed gangs to take control of the streets you would be the first one to blame Iraq.

 

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Fact 5 - Muslims of various flavours have been killing each other in Iraq since Saddam was executed. It's more widespread now but it's being going on for a decade.

 

A break down in law and order causes criminal, sectarian, religious and racial violence. The break down in law and order was caused by America and Britain making the Bush and Blair regimes responsible.

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[firemanbob 10]

If Iraq had bombed and invaded Britain killing and displacing millions causing a break down in law and order which allowed gangs to take control of the streets you would be the first one to blame Iraq.

 

No I'd blame the mindless morons that use it as an excuse to cut people heads off.

 

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The break down in law and order was caused by America and Britain making the Bush and Blair regimes responsible.

 

No it was caused by the religious belief of a bunch of nutters that call them selves ISIS.

[Bounce 10]

Just a decade, they were killing each other well before the first gulf war.

 

No they weren't there was no sectarian violence in Iraq prior to the American lead bombing and invasion in 2003. The Saddam regime did fight a war with the Iran and also attack the Kurds but it's important to remember that America was supporting Iraq while this was taking place.

[tinfoilhat 11]

If Iraq had bombed and invaded Britain killing and displacing millions causing a break down in law and order which allowed gangs to take control of the streets you would be the first one to blame Iraq.

 

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A break down in law and order causes criminal, sectarian, religious and racial violence. The break down in law and order was caused by America and Britain making the Bush and Blair regimes responsible.

 

Rhubarb. Your giving nutcases a free pass. Law and order, to an extent was put into back into place by the Americans and British forces. There is a Iraqi police force that well equipped and trained. That's been in place for a while. I didn't and still don't agree with the war in Iraq but other countries have come out of such conflicts in far better shape.

 

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No they weren't there was no sectarian violence in Iraq prior to the American lead bombing and invasion in 2003. The Saddam regime did fight a war with the Iran and also attack the Kurds but it's important to remember that America was supporting Iraq while this was taking place.

 

That's because Iraq was controlled with Saddam's iron fist. Is that the only way to govern in the middle east? Past events say yes.

[firemanbob 10]

No they weren't there was no sectarian violence in Iraq prior to the American lead bombing and invasion in 2003. The Saddam regime did fight a war with the Iran and also attack the Kurds but it's important to remember that America was supporting Iraq while this was taking place.

 

You forgot the mention that he also invaded Kuwait, and there was Sunni Shia sectarian violence before both Iraq wars.

[Bounce 10]

No I'd blame the mindless morons that use it as an excuse to cut people heads off.

 

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No it was caused by the religious belief of a bunch of nutters that call them selves ISIS.

 

No you wouldn't you would blame Iraq.

 

It was caused by the Bush and Blair regime.

 

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You forgot the mention that he also invaded Kuwait, and there was Sunni Shia sectarian violence before both Iraq wars.

 

you failed to understand America was supporting him when he was at his worse but invaded and destroyed Iraq in 2003 when he wasn't doing anything.

 

There was no sectarian violence in Iraq before 2003

[firemanbob 10]

No you wouldn't you would blame Iraq.

 

It was caused by the Bush and Blair regime.

 

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you failed to understand America was supporting him when he was at his worse but invaded and destroyed Iraq in 2003 when he wasn't doing anything.

 

There was no sectarian violence in Iraq before 2003

 

No I would Blame the religious nutters that think everyone should convert to their religion of die.

 

And yes their was sectarian violence in Iraq before 2003, it wasn't as bad because Saddam had an army to suppress the shias.

 

Iraq under Saddam Hussein was known for its severe violations of human rights. Secret police, torture, mass murder, rape, deportations, forced disappearances, assassinations, chemical warfare, and the destruction of southern Iraq's marshes were some of the methods the country's Ba'athist government used to maintain control.

 

Not exactly a utopia was it.

[Halibut 12]

No I would Blame the religious nutters that think everyone should convert to their religion of die.

 

And yes their was sectarian violence in Iraq before 2003, it wasn't as bad because Saddam had an army to suppress the shias.

 

Iraq under Saddam Hussein was known for its severe violations of human rights. Secret police, torture, mass murder, rape, deportations, forced disappearances, assassinations, chemical warfare, and the destruction of southern Iraq's marshes were some of the methods the country's Ba'athist government used to maintain control.

 

Not exactly a utopia was it.

 

Clearly not. But many Iraqis - and I daresay now many Syrians and Kurds - still say it was better than what we have now.

[blake 10]

I am secular but if Christianity really does get extinguished in Iraq then that would be a terrible thing. Just like some nut zealots trying to destroy Islam in Thailand and the Philippines would be.

[firemanbob 10]

Clearly not. But many Iraqis - and I daresay now many Syrians and Kurds - still say it was better than what we have now.

 

Saddam death sentence sparks dancing on streets of Baghdad, they was clearly happy that he no longer rules them.

[blake 10]

Clearly not. But many Iraqis - and I daresay now many Syrians and Kurds - still say it was better than what we have now.

 

oh shut up. How many Kurds do you know? The Kurds did very well out of the 2003 invasion, until now.

 

twelve years ago Kurdish university students kept quiet when all their classmates were up in arms about the Iraq invasion. They were smart. They knew they it would benefit the Iraqi Kurds like them. They have done really well in the past 10 years compared to before. Now ISIS wants to take them and you still want to blame it on the West. Why not blame it on them being the violent Islamist thugs/nuts they are, and fight them on that basis?

[Halibut 12]

oh shut up. How many Kurds do you know? The Kurds did very well out of the 2003 invasion, until now.

 

twelve years ago Kurdish university students kept quiet when all their classmates were up in arms about the Iraq invasion. They were smart. They knew they it would benefit the Iraqi Kurds like them. They have done really well in the past 10 years compared to before. Now ISIS wants to take them and you still want to blame it on the West. Why not blame it on them being the violent Islamist thugs/nuts they are, and fight them on that basis?

 

I've got no problems with the notion of fighting ISIS - I think they're a dreadful threat to everything that's right and good. However to pretend that Western intervention over there hasn't poked the hornet's nest is the height of stupidity.