Workers from Bulgaria and Romania up 26%

[andygardener 10]

Well Germany are worried that they do not have enough workers to pay for welfare for pensioners. The world's population does go up and up so it would follow that each nation's population must do likewise.

 

Which is a way to solve a short term issue. But it's also a pyramid scheme, planetary resources alone will pull the rug under it and probably not in that long. An a ever increasing population is not a sustainable solution even over the short term of 50 years let alone medium term.

[angos 10]

If GDP falls what would be the benefits of that given the nation's debt and other financial responsibilities?

 

As the population declines unemployment will fall as will the cost of public services, but tax receipts won't so our ability to pay down the debt becomes easier.

[Mecky 10]

Quite right. It was the war criminal/Murdoch lapdog Tony Blair.

 

 

 

LINK

 

Where does it say Murdoch or Blair and what kind of site is that anyway? I don't see Cameron kicking them out, do you? Besides, this is a recent development of which the UK had as much input as other member states, maybe less because the rest of the EU hate us but want our money so maybe they're prepared to put up with us. Until now Bulgarians and Romanians were subject to immigration control (visas). I don't want them here claiming UK benefits having put nothing into the pot, but I can see employers wanting them, don't they work for less, or so we are told, so why wouldn't employers want them? It seems some people want them but they don't.

Edited August 15, 2013 by Mecky

[andygardener 10]

As the population declines unemployment will fall as will the cost of public services, but tax receipts won't so our ability to pay down the debt becomes easier.

 

Quite. It does worry me that certain sections seem to be rightly concerned with genuine unemployed people struggling to find work and thus become contributors to and not a drain on public funds, but at the same time champion the "right" of the elites to import millions of dirt poor foreigners who'll live in a shed and work for thrupence happeny a week to compete for those same jobs.

 

You have to wonder whose side they are really on.

[Mecky 10]

Quite. It does worry me that certain sections seem to be rightly concerned with genuine unemployed people struggling to find work and thus become contributors to and not a drain on public funds, but at the same time champion the "right" of the elites to import millions of dirt poor foreigners who'll live in a shed and work for thrupence happeny a week to compete for those same jobs.

 

You have to wonder whose side they are really on.

 

Doesn't the NMW prevent them working for less than a british person?

[andygardener 10]

Doesn't the NMW prevent them working for less than a british person?

 

Not if they are geniune self employed (I could pay you to let me work for you if I choose), or non-genuine self employed (more usual) where they declare as self emplyed and work on contracts which are effective employed there is no NMW, if they have substandard crowded accommodation included as part of the contract and deducted from wages that especially in gangmaster work drops the actual real wage way below minimum wage and firms can charge all sorts of fees legally which further reduce the wage, for example "training courses in English" that don't actually happen but get taken off wages and the osties will never complain about.

 

Businesses ain't hiring people who no speaka da lingo because they are cosmopolitan, they do it because it's cheap.

[Happ Hazzard 10]

Doesn't the NMW prevent them working for less than a british person?

To some extent, but it keeps wages low, so many jobs pay NMW today that paid far more in the past and still would today if not for mass immigration.

 

There are immigrants working illegally for less than the NMW as well.

[golfman1968 10]

There are immigrants working illegally for less than the NMW as well

also a lot sat on street corners bumming the system

as other op states i also worked with the polish and are top workers

but Bulgarian,Hungarian#s etc are a different kettle of fish

[tinfoilhat 11]

I've no objection to 26000 coming over if they work hard and play by the rules. If they don't and commit crimes and bum a lot of the system I'd like us to kick them out.

[chalga 10]

but Bulgarian,Hungarian#s etc are a different kettle of fish

 

They are the same 'kettle of fish' as any other nation,because they are all individuals,good,bad and indifferent,generalising its people doesn't judge a nation,or why would UK employers and businesses be employing them in increasing numbers as the latest figures show?

[catpus 10]

And there's a culture difference. In Europe, especially Eastern, its much more common for families to share houses, really cram them in, convert living rooms to bedrooms and the like.

 

My Polish colleagues lived like this in order to save or send home more money - they rented a three bedroom semi in the local area and slept a family of three or four in each double bedroom. It wasn't squalid in any way, but "cosy".

 

That isn't the British way.

 

No. but it used to be when I was a kid.

My Mum and Auntie and my cousin and I slept in one bedroom, because the men were away in the War, Grandma and Grandad were in another bedroom, and we all shared the house....

[Mister M 1,627]

Doesn't the NMW prevent them working for less than a british person?

 

As made clear in the article that I linked, the supermarkets are leading the charge to get rid of the Agricultural Wages Board (many E. Europeans do this kind of work) which guarantees slightly higher wages than the NMW.