Should patients pay for their 'lifestyle-diseases'?

[Green Web 10]

What do Muslims have done that is equivalent of circumcision? I have never heard of that.

 

The Islamic faith believes circumcision is purification and the removal of the foreksin makes it easier to keep the old man clean because urine won't get trapped there, the preferred age is just 7 years old but for many it can be just 7 days old!

[Jeffrey Shaw 90]

Female Circumcision is most certainly genital mutilation. There can be no doubt about it.

OK- I agree with that.

 

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The Islamic faith believes circumcision is purification and the removal of the foreksin makes it easier to keep the old man clean because urine won't get trapped there, the preferred age is just 7 years old but for many it can be just 7 days old!

I thought that the preferred age for Moslem circumcision was 13 (ref. Ishmael)?

[poppins 10]

This page...Yuk I can even smell something

[francypants 445]

This page...Yuk I can even smell something

 

 

 

Wash it then !!

[whiteowl 54]

Thought they already paid for it with various taxes and dutys etc, etc

[this_life 10]

I don't understand the thing about circumcision. Did people used to die because they had foreskin in the olden days? Why many years ago, did people risk destroying a mans sexuality to do it, before anaesthetic and sterilised equipment. I understand not eating pork, or touching dogs. Because long long ago, pigs were full of diseases that killed people rapidly, so the safest way to save lives was to ban it. And equally in the olden days dogs frequently had rabies so killed many people quickly, and the thing about taking your shoes off at the door started to save lives because people sat on the floor and ate on the floor, with their hands. But what is the motivation for potentially castrating men. I don't understand what started it, sex and procreation are basic human nature, why risk it?

[altus 540]

Wash it then !!

Following that advice would get rid of the claimed need for male circumcision.

[Jeffrey Shaw 90]

Following that advice would get rid of the claimed need for male circumcision.

No, if you know anything about the non-religious (i.e. health) reasons: VD/STD/AIDS won't be removed by washing.

Plus the religious requirements are entirely unconnected with health reasons.

 

Plus: that's all entirely unrelated to the thread topic.

[Green Web 10]

OK- I agree with that.

 

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I thought that the preferred age for Moslem circumcision was 13 (ref. Ishmael)?

 

Think it varies amongst different segments of Muslim communities but their peckers are generally circumcised before puberty.

 

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I don't understand the thing about circumcision. Did people used to die because they had foreskin in the olden days? Why many years ago, did people risk destroying a mans sexuality to do it, before anaesthetic and sterilised equipment. I understand not eating pork, or touching dogs. Because long long ago, pigs were full of diseases that killed people rapidly, so the safest way to save lives was to ban it. And equally in the olden days dogs frequently had rabies so killed many people quickly, and the thing about taking your shoes off at the door started to save lives because people sat on the floor and ate on the floor, with their hands. But what is the motivation for potentially castrating men. I don't understand what started it, sex and procreation are basic human nature, why risk it?

 

I agree but we just have to except that religious folk are probably always gonna be a bit primitive and barbaric.

[this_life 10]

No, if you know anything about the non-religious (i.e. health) reasons: VD/STD/AIDS won't be removed by washing.

 

So perhaps that's why it started men's dicks were falling off left right and centre and Jonah sitting beneath the pineapple tree thought it was caused by the foreskin harbouring disease, so the old men whose dicks had fallen off, chopped off a bit of the young mans member.

 

In terms of 'Identifying with the aggressor' and beating people because 'I was beaten senseless and it didn't do me no harm' I am amazed at how this is seen in documentaries about female genital mutilation, where elder women organise and do this to the female children, because it was done to them. Its hard to understand why the older women do this in such an organised way to young girls. Why they don't say 'No, that hurt me, I'm not doing it to my daughter'. Because it is clearly acutely painful and damaging for life.

[Plain Talker 11]

Just remember that smoking tobacco and drinking alcohol is legal in this country.

 

I also remember that although I do not drink alcohol, and I do not smoke, either, by dint of the shockingly high taxes and revenue charged on domestically-bought tobacco products and duties on alcohol, many people who do indulge in tobacco and alcohol pay for the medical treatment for my genetic illnesses...

 

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People who eat fatty food run a higher risk or heart issues or Colorectal cancer.

Smokers run a higher risk of lung cancer

 

Women who don't have children, or are not on the pill run a higher risk of ovarian cancer Vs those who do.

 

All these lifestyle choices can lead to serious health problems, should they all pay more for their treatment?

 

a) some women don't have the choice when it comes to being childless. One in ten couples has fertility problems.

 

b) in my family there is a genetic predisposition to thrombosis, including my cousin being hospitalised twice with a DVT, the first time aged just 19. making things like taking the pill extremely dangerous (well, contraindicated really!). (and the risk is elevated in relatives, too)

 

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Well, given that Muslims and Jews don't pay to have genital mutilation performed on their babies, I doubt we can expect anyone to pay for essential and/or beneficial surgery/treatment!

In this country and the USA, baby boys were circumcised as a matter of routine, whether the male child was born into a Jewish, Muslim, Christian or non-religious family.

 

Although circumcision is not as prevalent in the UK, these days, it's still quite common in the US.