Buble Fan Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 And if you read the rules, it goes on... "If you make retail sales and you make a sale of goods or services for £250 or less including VAT, then when a customer asks for a VAT invoice, you can issue a simplified VAT invoice that only needs to show: the seller's name and address the seller's VAT registration number the time of supply (tax point) a description of the goods or services" So SCC don't put their name and address on it nor do they put a description of goods or sevices so it isn't a valid VAT receipt... Pretty obvious I would have thought, what service a pay & display ticket has provided. The date and time of supply is shown by the time of purchase and the expiry date and time. Address could easily be found by anyone with a modicum of sense. So what's the problem? Or are you just being your usual pedantic self? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Litotes Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Pretty obvious I would have thought, what service a pay & display ticket has provided. The date and time of supply is shown by the time of purchase and the expiry date and time. Address could easily be found by anyone with a modicum of sense. So what's the problem? Or are you just being your usual pedantic self? You obviously don't understand VAT - these thing have to be on the receipt or it is not a VAT receipt. As they are not, SCC is breaking the law by not offering a VAT receipt for a VATable expense. That is the problem... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buble Fan Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 You obviously don't understand VAT - these thing have to be on the receipt or it is not a VAT receipt. As they are not, SCC is breaking the law by not offering a VAT receipt for a VATable expense. That is the problem... or perhaps not:- extract from Notice 700 The VAT Guide (May 2012) - paragraph 19.7.5 Other circumstances If you are treating as input tax the VAT on goods and services supplied to you: (a) the invoice can be made out to an employee for subsistence expenses mentioned in paragraph 12.1 and for petrol (see Notice 700/64 Motoring expenses): and (b) you do not need a VAT invoice for some types of supply if your total expenditure for each taxable supply was £25 or less (including VAT). You must be sure that the supplier was registered for VAT. If in doubt, check with our VAT Helpline. This applies to: Phone calls from public or private phones Purchases through coin operated machines Car-park charges (on street parking meters are not subject to VAT); and A single or return toll charge paid at the tollbooth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alchresearch Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 No, far easier to criticise someone for pointing out a flaw in the system and then ignore the fact that the accusations you made were in fact wrong. Which part of what I initially asked for was speculation? - Would you care to point it out, please? Please? Oh, you can't... I can, it's highlighted below. It doesn't say "alleged" or "possible" fraudulent activity, but clearly "fraudulent activity". Can anyone tell me if the tickets from the pay and display machines are VAT receipts? If not, is there an option to get a VAT receipt? If there isn't, Sheffield City Council may be breaking the law (again) as off-street parking is deemed a service and therefore is VAT-able (and therefore VAT reclaim-able). Is the council defrauding the exchequer by not declaring this VAT? Or is it defrauding the public by not allowing them to raclaim this VAT? Perhaps someone who isn't a member of the council, but has links to them, could investigate... or might they not want to highlight this fraudulent activity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Streetfarce Posted January 10, 2013 Author Share Posted January 10, 2013 Under the 1984 road traffic act, local councils have the powers to enforce parking restrictions, for a number of specified reasons. These are to ease the flow of traffic; ensure the safety of of drivers and pedestrians; and preserve or improve the area through which a road runs. What they are not allowed to do - and this has been reaffirmed by the courts and restated in goverment guidance - is use parking as a fiscal measure to raise revenue. So how can this measure be allowed ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metalman Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 Because it's not on the road presumably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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