New Internet Snooping Law. Will it be for the better?

[denomis 10]

I think GCHQ could sort that out

 

Nu huh nothing gets past 7 proxies

[Nagel 10]

I'm totally against this and I thought the Tories were too. I thought we had seen the back of the Big Brother surveillance society that the last Labour government wanted to set up, but it seems not.

 

We need everyone to oppose this otherwise we'll end up as a population scared of its own government like Iran or China.

Edited April 2, 2012 by Nagel

[andygardener 10]

Good luck, I’m behind 7 proxies

 

Assuming you're a decent chap/chapess i'd knock that on the head. Nothing lights you up like multiple proxies and or encryption. Might as well put a big neon sign saying "mental terrorist" over the door.

[Agrajag 10]

Assuming you're a decent chap/chapess i'd knock that on the head. Nothing lights you up like multiple proxies and or encryption. Might as well put a big neon sign saying "mental terrorist" over the door.

 

...or a P2P user.

 

Does it not occur to anyone that if a terrorist or criminal wasn't sure that he was being monitored, then he might just take the risk, only to end up incriminating himself.

 

If he knew for certain that he was being monitored, then he might take the appropriate precautions, such as using proxies/Tor/Freenet or an encrypted VPN.

 

Seems a bit self-defeating to me...

Edited April 1, 2012 by Agrajag

[Anna B 1,417]

Nowt to hide, nowt to worry about.

 

At the moment maybe. This is a very short sighted view.

 

In the future they can make anything illegal and you will have to comply, no matter what you think about it. It might even be made illegal to discuss it on a forum like this.

 

Who'd have thought 10 years ago that putting the wrong rubbish in your bin could illicit a hefty fine. A trivial example maybe, but an indication of how technology can allow them to interfere in even the most mundane aspects of our lives, never mind anything more serious.

[Agrajag 10]

Nowt to hide, nowt to worry about.

 

OK, since you care little for privacy, perhaps you can post your email login details so we can all have a read?

[immortal-tec 10]

At the moment maybe. This is a very short sighted view.

 

In the future they can make anything illegal and you will have to comply, no matter what you think about it. It might even be made illegal to discuss it on a forum like this.

 

Who'd have thought 10 years ago that putting the wrong rubbish in your bin could illicit a hefty fine. A trivial example maybe, but an indication of how technology can allow them to interfere in even the most mundane aspects of our lives, never mind anything more serious.

 

 

Hey france is getting it a little quicker than 10 years

 

Shorty Sarkozy just announced a criminal offence to even visit sites deemed terror related.

 

and yes there are cases within the UK were people are still being held for 7 years + with no trial , no case , no evidence

 

Anna me dear , we are already here.

[denomis 10]

...or a P2P user.

 

Does it not occur to anyone that if a terrorist wasn't sure that he was being monitored, then he might just take the risk, only to end up incriminating himself.

 

If he knew for certain that he was being monitored, then he might take the appropriate precautions, such as using proxies/Tor/Freenet or an encrypted VPN.

 

Seems a bit self-defeating to me...

 

Terrorists are using Xbox and ps3

[Aleksandr 10]

"If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face—forever."

(Orwell)

The man was a prophet!

[Agrajag 10]

This really is nothing to do with terrorism.

 

This goes back to the London riots, where Blackberries and other forms of instant messaging were partly blamed for allowing the rioters to organise.

 

What if I attended a perfectly legal protest and it turned bad, and during the confusion I was arrested.

 

They could trawl through every message and email I had sent for the previous two years, looking for anything that might incriminate me.

 

Something as relatively innocent as a post on a forum such as this, months before saying something like "I hate this government, something should be done about them.", might get me promoted from a wrongly arrested protester to a ringleader.

[altus 540]

Do you think will be an intrusion on our freedom and liberty? If so would that bother you?

I expect it will be some time before its fully operational.

I'm not certain about it yet,not sure how its going to effect us. Can anyone enlighten me?

I expect if it helps catch criminals and potential terrorists thats got to be a good thing.

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2123512/New-snooping-law-allow-Government-access-everybodys-emails-texts-internet-browsing.html?ITO=google_news_rss_feed

 

Implanting tracking devices in us all would help catch criminals and potential terrorists but I doubt you think that would be a good thing - it's simply not a proportionate response to the threat.

 

At the moment if the authorities want to track someone, they have to get a court order and provide some sort of justification for doing so - which in an emergency will take them hardly any time at all. With this, they don't - that means they can spy on whoever they like for whatever reason and without any oversight. This is completely disproportionate to what they will actually be able to use it for and others have pointed out how easy it is to avoid for their claimed intended targets.

[altus 540]

Nowt to hide, nowt to worry about.

You've got that wrong. It should be:

 

Nothing to hide, no need to spy on.