Would you work nights for £6.05 per hour?(if there were no benefits at all)

[0742Sheff 10]

You base the knowledge that I couldn't do your job upon what exactly? Hope? Or are you one of those people who's skills are so exceptional that nobody could hope to match them? Like all those plumbers, builders, electricians, joiners who've been replaced by Eastern Europeans? After all Eastern Europe doesn't train joiners does it? Out of curiousity how much did YOUR wages drop when Eastern Europeans arrived? And you don't think there are trained joiners amongst the million plus unemployed?

 

I base my knowledge on experience. You still haven't answered my question btw about the 10mm

Do you really think you could do my job to a satisfactory level?

 

My wages actually went up when eastern European workers came over here for the first 6-8 years at least. You see, i am self employed. A lot of my work comes from people wanting a good job done at short notice. In the last decade a lot of that has meant putting sub standard work right. Most of it by eastern Europeans working for half of what i get paid.

 

In the most extreme case i know of it lead to an entire barn conversion being ripped to the ground thanks to Polish builders totally botching it.

 

You get what you pay for a lot of the time

Edited May 22, 2011 by 0742Sheff

[upinwath 10]

Having worked on the minimum wage recently I found that I just couldn't cover the cost of living. This in turn eventually put me into a situation where I stopped answering the phone and the door because in all likelihood it was some debt recovery company wanting money that I just didn't have. I live in crap rented accommodation and don't allow myself any real luxuries.

 

I will never work for such low wages again, these jobs are for people who don't live in the real world and talk about 'self respect' knowing they don't have to be put into that same position. There is no self respect in allowing yourself to be ripped off by some scumbag employer, and being subjected to the scummy PAYE tax regime whilst paying extortionate rent for crap accommodation.

 

There goes half a story from our resident dreamer of an anarchist.

 

 

I'm starting a campaign to stop drinking in pubs, c'mon guys it's only fair if I can't smoke why should you drink. Infact lets go the whole hog and ban socialising and humour as well we don't want happy people everywhere just wasting good air for no reason do we.

 

That suggests he's a smoker who likes a drink. Can't pay his bills and hides from debt collectors but can afford expensive fags and booze.

 

When I was a youngster I fully stripped down and motorcycle and rebuilt the engine on a visqueen sheet next to my bed in a tiny bedsit, luckily for me both the elf and safety brigade and my landlord never found out.

 

He has a long history of living in crap housing. That suggests it's less to do with minimum wage and more to do with him being an idiot.

 

 

h it was me that had to carry my new PC case up the stairs myself.

 

Can't pay bills but can buy computers.

 

 

I have never dealt or know much about such things myself but I have made a few investments in the past but you could buy shares in gold mining, or trade as an ETF commodity.

 

https://www.share.com/cgi-bin/oicgi.exe/inet_tsc_dl2?epic=BULP

 

I hope that link helps, I've used share.com for a while but I'm sure some other more knowledgeable forumers will tell me I'm all wrong.

 

He hates capitalism but has dabbled with trading. Golly gosh. So much for ideal.

 

That's what he'll be funding his new phones with. Pity he doesn't pay his bills first.

 

I had exactly the same when I bought a phone from carphone warehouse, .

 

I could go through loads of his posts where he talks about holidays in York, how his business failed because of the taxman and how he wants to smoke weed but I think posters can see his lack of paying bills is a lot less about minimum wage and a lot more about minimum brain..

[dave_dave 10]

I'm not sure what the people who have answered 'no' think would happen to them if they didn't work for the money.

 

It seems to have got to a stage when some can't even comprehend a life without handouts.

If there were no benefits, of course people would work for £6.05 an hour, otherwise they wouldn't survive.

[upinwath 10]

I'm not sure what the people who have answered 'no' think would happen to them if they didn't work for the money.

 

I'll tell you exactly what would happen because I see it every day.

They busk of street corners, beg in the streets or steal.

In a country with no benefit system, it's work or starve. Sorts out the lazy sods if nothing else.

Of course I'm on a salary that makes many UK salaries look a bit crap and the cost of living out here is shag all so I'm laughing.

[NorthernStar 11]

There goes half a story from our resident dreamer of an anarchist.

 

The half of the storey as you put it has been the recent half of the storey, since the recession kicked in, and I'm not an anarchist.

 

 

That suggests he's a smoker who likes a drink. Can't pay his bills and hides from debt collectors but can afford expensive fags and booze.

Not so, at all.

 

He has a long history of living in crap housing. That suggests it's less to do with minimum wage and more to do with him being an idiot.

Yes I have a history of living in crap housing because I tend to move around a lot in order to work, up until the recession I could make good money freelancing as a construction professional.

 

Can't pay bills but can buy computers.

 

Computers are essential for me they are how I normally make my living, I have 3 fairly old PC's that I bought when I could afford them.

 

 

He hates capitalism but has dabbled with trading. Golly gosh. So much for ideal.

 

I don't hate capitalism I hate inequality, we live in a mixed economy and I'm happy with that as long as the balance of fairness and common decency is maintained.

 

That's what he'll be funding his new phones with. Pity he doesn't pay his bills first.

 

I bought a phone for 1p from carphone warehouse so that I didn't have to deal with unreasonable debt recovery companies.

 

I could go through loads of his posts where he talks about holidays in York, how his business failed because of the taxman and how he wants to smoke weed but I think posters can see his lack of paying bills is a lot less about minimum wage and a lot more about minimum brain..

 

I have lived in York as well as many other places, my business failed because the construction industry failed, as a director the taxman did me favours I earned thousands in tax breaks in comparison to wage slaves who are subjected to PAYE.

 

Now run along idiot Troll, personally attacking posters like that really shows more about you than it does me, especially since you are so incredibly wrong in your ignorant prejudice of me.

Edited May 22, 2011 by NorthernStar

[*_ash_* 88]

You base the knowledge that I couldn't do your job upon what exactly? Hope? Or are you one of those people who's skills are so exceptional that nobody could hope to match them? Like all those plumbers, builders, electricians, joiners who've been replaced by Eastern Europeans? After all Eastern Europe doesn't train joiners does it? Out of curiousity how much did YOUR wages drop when Eastern Europeans arrived? And you don't think there are trained joiners amongst the million plus unemployed?

 

So why are they unemployed joiners, and not self-employed joiners?. The choice is there surely? We live in a free market.

 

It's easy to undercut, you said so. Any of these joiners can knock 80% off 0742's price. You've pointed this out, that anyone can be undercut by 80% with your unskilled argument. as well as your argument with skilled workers such as joiners.

 

[based on your undercutting theory] - Amongst these joiners who are unemployed, it must be likely of one of a few things: they are lazy joiners; bad joiners; or can't undercut the self-employed joiner (in this case 0742) - and do an acceptable job. Either way, it suggests that they are receiving benefits that are too generous, or 0742 is vastly overcharging, in which case a good joiner could easily undercut him/her!. (I can't see this, or he/she wouldn't be working, and would have to claim!, and join the whole circle)

 

I just can't see your argument.

[*_ash_* 88]

I'm not sure what the people who have answered 'no' think would happen to them if they didn't work for the money.

 

It seems to have got to a stage when some can't even comprehend a life without handouts.

If there were no benefits, of course people would work for £6.05 an hour, otherwise they wouldn't survive.

 

I'd love to see how the 50% answer this davex2.

 

Of course, some are obvious, if they have inheritance, or have saved wisely.

 

50% seems a incredibly high percentage of sensible or people who have inherited, :suspect:

[Iuchi_Zien 10]

So why are they unemployed joiners, and not self-employed joiners?. The choice is there surely? We live in a free market.

 

It's easy to undercut, you said so. Any of these joiners can knock 80% off 0742's price. You've pointed this out, that anyone can be undercut by 80% with your unskilled argument. as well as your argument with skilled workers such as joiners.

 

[based on your undercutting theory] - Amongst these joiners who are unemployed, it must be likely of one of a few things: they are lazy joiners; bad joiners; or can't undercut the self-employed joiner (in this case 0742) - and do an acceptable job. Either way, it suggests that they are receiving benefits that are too generous, or 0742 is vastly overcharging, in which case a good joiner could easily undercut him/her!. (I can't see this, or he/she wouldn't be working, and would have to claim!, and join the whole circle)

 

I just can't see your argument.

 

Take your blinkers off and the answer is obvious.

 

I assume you have never run a samall business, piad liability insurance?? done your own accounts?

 

You know it's fascinating. I've always defended the UK when friends from abroad described us, the British, as petty, bigotted, xenophobic rascist and selfish. I'm starting to see where they are coming from, whern I read some of the bile spewed on this forum and in future I think I might find myself having to agree with them. I used to be proud to be English, but if what I see on this forum is an accurate representation of what the 'English' have sunk to then I think I might start describing myself as half Welsh, rather than admit I belong to such a narrow minded bunch od bigots.

[upinwath 10]

Now run along idiot Troll, personally attacking posters like that really shows more about you than it does me, especially since you are so incredibly wrong in your ignorant prejudice of me.[/i][/color]

 

All I did was show up your half truths. Don't post things if you don't want people to use them to expose your lies.

[Bonjon 10]

Benefits or no benefits I would take whatever came along if I was out of work.

[upinwath 10]

Benefits or no benefits I would take whatever came along if I was out of work.

 

You clearly have the pride in yourself and the 'get up and go' to deserve finding a job and doing well in life.

The lazy scroungers that would refuse it aren't worth employing but they're too stupid to realise it's their attitude that condemns then to a life less than worth bothering with.

[MC Spyda 10]

You clearly have the pride in yourself and the 'get up and go' to deserve finding a job and doing well in life.

The lazy scroungers that would refuse it aren't worth employing but they're too stupid to realise it's their attitude that condemns then to a life less than worth bothering with.

 

If anything is stupid, it is accepting a job without first assessing the situation and how it will affect you both short term and long term.