upinwath Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 I tend to think of exploitation as a bad thing. Like bullying or sex trafficking. The sort of "cretins" who tend to engage in such activities do so because they only value money. And have too few brains/scruples to value anything else. Big difference between sex slavery and taking money off people in a business deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upinwath Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 Since all you have contributed is synonymous with that, I think pot kettle to be honest. And Stalin doesn't equate with Socialism. I didn't quote an anarchist as you did. Can you tell me of any far left government that hasn't been guilty of mass murder. I'm sure you can't because there has never been one. There is a new one who haven't had the time yet but they will. Who sall we start with? Ah, Saloth Sar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowan22 Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 (edited) Big difference between sex slavery and taking money off people in a business deal. Not really. Both involve a coerced transaction where the lack of real power forces the sale. Capitalism is predatory in its current form. And results in the destruction of human value which objectifies and commoditisers’ human beings into meat for sale to the highest bidder. P.S Anarchy, in the political sense, doesn't mean chaos, it means freedom from state control. And a return to intrinsic human values which are present when not coerced by robber barons. Edited March 18, 2011 by Rowan22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowan22 Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 I didn't quote an anarchist as you did. Can you tell me of any far left government that hasn't been guilty of mass murder. I'm sure you can't because there has never been one. There is a new one who haven't had the time yet but they will. Who sall we start with? Ah, Saloth Sar. How many died in the gas ovens again? Was it eleven million? How many overall in the second world war twenty to thirty million? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 Aside from the twenty millions that were subject to the communist genocide eh? Back on topic. How are you going to ensure full employment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowan22 Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 Aside from the twenty millions that were subject to the communist genocide eh? Back on topic. How are you going to ensure full employment? As I have already said, Marxism isn't Stalinism is it? Comparing the two is like saying the B.N.P. is the Conservative party. Obviously both are hideous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 Back on topic. How are you going to ensure full employment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowan22 Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 Back on topic. How are you going to ensure full employment? As I have already said, as an advocate of the free market I think terms like “full employment" is within your remit. So I am quite willing and interested to hear your suggestions. Unless you don’t have any of course? Value in a Socialist state does not rely on being "employed". The whole notion of Socialism is that the jobs which need to be done to provide for the populace are done. And the excess created employed to facilitate development of science and academic advancement. But, if you are a farm labourer and you show interest in becoming an engineer you are educated to do so. If you are a nurturer and that is how you "value" then this is your role. A society based on equality of opportunity. Not on minority privilege and cronyism. And one which led the U.S for much of the space race and in many technological areas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upinwath Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 How many died in the gas ovens again? Was it eleven million? How many overall in the second world war twenty to thirty million? Please quote any of my posts that support the extreme right. Of course you can't as there aren't any so stop trying to make out I'm a racist to support your argument. It's hardly a surprise you do it; it's a common extremist tactic to smear anyone who disagrees with you. Crap debating tool used by those who can't support their own argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upinwath Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 As I have already said, Marxism isn't Stalinism is it? Comparing the two is like saying the B.N.P. is the Conservative party. Obviously both are hideous. Name me an extreme leftist government that hasn't used mass murder as a political tool. Any shade of lefty loon government will be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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