Police shot down suspected suicide bomber in London

[sheffco 10]

First hint of racialism that's cropped up.

However, if I was a Moslem living in Britain, and I had any knowledge of the people or sects that are connected with these bombers - - - I would stay at home.

I wonder how many illegals will be swept up in the investigations?

[LordChaverly 10]

Originally posted by Fareast

Another aspect no-one has mentioned up to now is this :--

 

Not so long ago , the McPherson report concluded that the Met Police were institutionally racist.Now , to rid a vast organisation consisting of thousands of officers of racialism must take a hell of a lot of time.

These officers have to go on courses to become aware that all cultures have equal value , to use appropriate body language when dealing with any minorities , to be particularly careful when using language which could be deemed offensive by any minorities and to learn how to record information relating to any crimes or potential crimes committed by any minorities.

The "canteen culture ' was to be wiped out. Now , I wonder how far they've got with this programme ? If they haven't anywhere near completed it , it means that the Met. is still riddled with quite a bit of racialism, wouldn't you think. ?

If I was a Muslim , living in Britain and IF I believed the McPherson report , I'd feel a bit uneasy about all this , wouldn't you ?

 

The phrase 'institutionally racist' trips off the tongue (and brain) rather well. In fact, it has tripped off too many tongues in recent years and in my view has had a malign influence upon public organisations (not just the police service) in that it has inculcated a culture of suspicion, amounting almost to paranoia, within these organisations. The term is so broad and vague as to be virtually meaningless anyway. Its chief use these days seems to be as a verbal cudgel and as an underpinning for the culture of grievance. It is one of those Orwellian phrases which, as descriptions of reality, are virtually the exact opposite of the truth. In reality, the police service, like all other public organisations now, are institutionally non-racist, in that they all have very elaborate anti-discrimination policies which officers breach at their peril (moreover, knoweldge of these policies and a zealous approach to implementing them seem to be one of the major requirements for chief constables these days). Of course, there are examples of bad behaviour by individual officers (as in any other walk of lfe). But to refer to these as examples of 'institutional racism' is nonsense.

[davem 10]

Originally posted by LEANAH

if they hadnt killed him he could have still set off a bomb.

but yes he didnt need to be shot 5 times. [/b]

 

They shot him 5 time to make sure he was dead & couldn't trigger any device he might have been carrying. The purpose is to destroy the brain.

 

Can't see that the number of times he was shot is relevant - if the first bullet killed him the rest wouldn't have made any difference, if it hadn't the rest were necessary.

 

Are you objecting on grounds of 'taste'?

[Tony 10]

I listened to the Police press conference short while ago. There was particular emphasis on a certain address that was visited by one of last weeks bombers.

 

Any idea if this is the address where the Brazilian came from? Or is there some other significance?

[Fareast 10]

Lord Chaverly ,

 

I absolutely agree with you myself . If I had had time on the last posting , I was going to conclude with this thought.

The government seemed to accept the Mcpherson Report as being valid.

If , in the government's view they [THe Met.] haven't had time to become squeaky clean [and I don't see HOW they could have had time ] , it follows that broadly speaking , the Met. must still be at least partly institutionally racist.

However , the government have been sending the message out , these past few days , that the ordinary law-abiding Muslim has no need to fear the police. They can't have it both ways.

As usual , they have been trying to be all things to all men. To gain Muslim sympathy , over the years , they've told the minorities

"Don't worry , you guys , the government will get rid of all this racialism and bias against you in the police force ".

Now , before they can possibly have done that job , they are saying to the Muslims ,

" Now , look here you guys . You don't need to be worried about the British police because .......etc...."

The Muslims must be a bit baffled by all this. I know what you mean by Newspeak and Doublethink but I'm not sure if all Muslims will understand the niceties of Orwell , especially if English is not their first language.

[Delboy3 10]

A new revelation has come to pass regarding the Brazillian person that was shot.

It is believed that he ran from the police due to the fact that his Visa was not renewed over 2 years ago.

In effect, he was living here illegally.

 

This is no reason to get shot but we now know why he ran.

[sheffco 10]

Never mind the Mc Pherson report,

When are the multiple muslim councils and committees going to start reassuring the public that they have nothing to fear from muslims as a whole?

It will be a long time before people feel entirely comfortable sat on public transport with a few Rucksack carrying, obvious muslims around.

This feeling of mistrust did not come out of nowhere.

[spyro2000 10]

Originally posted by sheffco

Never mind the Mc Pherson report,

When are the multiple muslim councils and committees going to start reassuring the public that they have nothing to fear from muslims as a whole?

It will be a long time before people feel entirely comfortable sat on public transport with a few Rucksack carrying, obvious muslims around.

This feeling of mistrust did not come out of nowhere.

 

Well I dont fear ANY Muslims. Its only a minority that have been doing these things.

 

p.s. what does a Muslim look like? I didnt know they looked a certain way.

[nightrider 13]

Originally posted by sheffco

Never mind the Mc Pherson report,

When are the multiple muslim councils and committees going to start reassuring the public that they have nothing to fear from muslims as a whole?

 

erm, I thought they already had. I have seen many statements from various muslim people and bodies saying most muslims are peaceful etc etc.

[tosh13 11]

Well the lad should not have been in this country anyway his visa had run out,but his parents have said they are going to sue the police.All the police can say, if your son was in Brazil where he should have been instead of being illegally plying his trade as an electrician he would be alive today.Also the Muslim Council's have said that Muslims are staying in there houses so they do not get portrayed as bombers,if the word unity is the issue in this country, staying in the house is not going to help the cause of terrorism.

[spyro2000 10]

Originally posted by tosh13

All the police can say, if your son was in Brazil where he should have been instead of being illegally plying his trade as an electrician he would be alive today.

 

Sounds like a very bad thing for the Police to say. Its a bit like a school kid getting run over in the street in the daytime, and the driver saying "well you should have been in school, if you wasnt playing truant I wouldnt have run you over". This mans misdimeanour doesnt excuse what happened to him.

[evildrneil 14]

Originally posted by sheffco

Never mind the Mc Pherson report,

When are the multiple muslim councils and committees going to start reassuring the public that they have nothing to fear from muslims as a whole?

It will be a long time before people feel entirely comfortable sat on public transport with a few Rucksack carrying, obvious muslims around.

This feeling of mistrust did not come out of nowhere.

 

You could try here for a start. Though muslim councils can no more reasure the public that they have nothing to fear from muslims than you could reasure the public that they have nothing to fear from, say, the white population of the UK. It's a large disparate group not some homogeneous entity under central control. And the feelings of mistrust come mainly from people looking at the very tiny number of muslims taking part in these atrocities and extending it to all Muslims - your basic sloppy thinking and inability to treat people as individuals...