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[Wildcat 10]

Please tell him a vote for the BNP would be like endorsing the potions of the snake oil salesman, whilst seeking the cure for cancer.

 

I like that metaphor.

 

I think it particularly relevant when from the last couple of pages the BNP's appeal is stated as being concern about immigration. Something that Nick Griffin has profitted handsomely out of with his business venture Easy London that encourages immigration to the UK and made him and his Italian Neo-Fasist friends Roberto Fiore and Massimo Morsello millions of pounds.

[Rudders 10]

When have UAF expressed any opinion on Hamas?

 

When have Hamas expressed any opinion on UAF?

 

If you are going to make allegations some evidence might be helpful, or should people just conclude that everything you write is made up rubbish?

 

I suppose I will have to show you this... again: The UAF/SWP/MCB/Respect alliance.

 

UAF. At a recent demonstration against the BNP by UAF, a BNP member was attacked with a hammer.http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/7943556.stm

 

SWP. In Sheffield in January this year, SWP supporters in a street demonstration refused criticism of the internationally banned terrorist group Hamas. http://www.hurryupharry.org/2009/01/18/sheffield-pscswp-no-criticism-of-hamas-allowed/ (click on Indymedia link.)

 

MCB. Muslim Council of Great Britain. The government has cut ties with the MCB because of its support for the internationally banned terrorist organisation Hamas. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1164613/Hazel-Blears-cuts-ties-Muslim-Council-Britain-refuses-condemn-controversial-senior-member.html

 

Respect Party. A far left party headed by George Galloway who has recently been banned from travelling to Canada (one of our strongest allies) for giving financial aid to the internationally banned terrorist organisation Hamas. http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/mar/20/george-galloway-banned-canada

 

Hamas seems to be a recurring theme here. That terrorist organisation dedicated to the annihilation of the Jews and the state of Israel.

 

 

 

Is it just people from India and Pakistan you have a problem with, or is it anyone that marries a foreign woman and brings them back to the Uk? If it is the former then your policy is racist and hence unpopular. If it is the latter then I can't see it being very popular either because of the restrictions it imposes on who we marry.

 

No one likes freeloading which is why we have a points based immigration system and we restrict immigration from the EU to people that can show they can support themselves.

 

Asylum seekers are different but their numbers are small in comparison with immigration totals and the costs in humanitarian terms worthwhile.

 

As to what you think UAF or Hamas has to do with any of this is a mystery to me.

 

I never mentioned marriage at all, I said women coming here most notably from India and Pakistan in their late days of pregnancy, knowing that its too late to stop the birth here and its common wildcat, if you know anyone who works in the health service just ask them.

Edited March 31, 2009 by Rudders

[Wildcat 10]

I suppose I will have to show you this... again: The UAF/SWP/MCB/Respect alliance.

 

UAF. At a recent demonstration against the BNP by UAF, a BNP member was attacked with a hammer. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/m...er/7943556.stm

 

And I guess I will have to show you this again:

 

"members of the Nazi BNP still arrived with their ‘Battle for Britain’ Land Rover and trailer AND PHYSICALLY ATTACKED THE DEMO"

 

http://www.uaf.org.uk/news.asp?choice=90316

 

On the other thread Streamline showed us a video of some distressed looking middle aged women being harassed by a BNP cameraman. I gave you eye witness testimony of what happened and references on far right blogs to one of Nick Griffins old body guards talking about the BNP attacking the UAF demonstration.

 

SWP. In Sheffield in January this year, SWP supporters in a street demonstration refused criticism of the internationally banned terrorist group Hamas. http://www.hurryupharry.org/2009/01/...hamas-allowed/ (click on Indymedia link.)

 

MCB. Muslim Council of Great Britain. The government has cut ties with the MCB because of its support for the internationally banned terrorist organisation Hamas. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...or-member.html

 

Respect Party. A far left party headed by George Galloway who has recently been banned from travelling to Canada (one of our strongest allies) for giving financial aid to the internationally banned terrorist organisation Hamas. http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2...-banned-canada

 

Hamas seems to be a recurring theme here. That terrorist organisation dedicated to the annihilation of the Jews and the state of Israel.

 

Respect/MCB/SWP are probably affiliated just like numerous other groups and people to UAF, just like they are all affiliated to Stop the War.

 

So what?

 

You don't appear to understand that a coalition of people can have different views on a subject.

 

If you want to talk about support for terrorists, what do you think of Nick Griffin's visit (begging for money as usual) to Colonel Gaddaffi immediately after the Lockerbie bombing?

 

I never mentioned marriage at all, I said women coming here most notably from India and Pakistan in their late days of pregnancy, knowing that its too late to stop the birth here and its common wildcat, if you know anyone who works in the health service just ask them.

 

I do know people that work in the health service, and they would tell you you are talking ********.

[Rudders 10]

And I guess I will have to show you this again:

 

"members of the Nazi BNP still arrived with their ‘Battle for Britain’ Land Rover and trailer AND PHYSICALLY ATTACKED THE DEMO"

 

http://www.uaf.org.uk/news.asp?choice=90316

 

On the other thread Streamline showed us a video of some distressed looking middle aged women being harassed by a BNP cameraman. I gave you eye witness testimony of what happened and references on far right blogs to one of Nick Griffins old body guards talking about the BNP attacking the UAF demonstration.

 

Its no good showing me a biased link to the homepage of UAF, You decry the BNP homepage as not accurate so why should I believe yours? I showed you a BBC link. Come up with something unbiased and I may look again.

 

Respect/MCB/SWP are probably affiliated just like numerous other groups and people to UAF, just like they are all affiliated to Stop the War.

 

So what?

 

You don't appear to understand that a coalition of people can have different views on a subject.

 

If you want to talk about support for terrorists, what do you think of Nick Griffin's visit (begging for money as usual) to Colonel Gaddaffi immediately after the Lockerbie bombing?

 

Not just affiliated, they fund UAF activities. I understand you are involved in an armchair capacity with the SWP as well and yet you haven't commented on them attackng anti-war demonstrators in Sheffield for saying "No Hamas, No IDF?" whilst you support the Palestine Solidarity Campaign who represent Hamas.

 

Why do UAF have any affiliation at all with these groups who are undoubtedly pro-terrorist friendly towards Hamas? Hamas are as fascist and racist as you can get. Their stated aim is the death of all Jews and the destruction of the state of Israel?

 

As regards the BNP seeking money from Libya, its disgusting but not unlike your organisation seeking funds from supporters of a terrorist organisation also.

 

I do know people that work in the health service, and they would tell you you are talking ********.

 

Are you saying that this doesn't happen at all?

[Wildcat 10]

Its no good showing me a biased link to the homepage of UAF, You decry the BNP homepage as not accurate so why should I believe yours? I showed you a BBC link. Come up with something unbiased and I may look again.

 

Look at your BBC link again. Look at what you are saying and you will realise the two are not the same. Your argument that a UAF man hit a BNP person with a hammer is not on your link. The story you prefer and the one you keep repeating is from the BNP website. I also gave references to more than one source for my version of events, including Joe Owens.

 

Not just affiliated, they fund UAF activities.

 

That is what affiliated means.

 

I understand you are involved in an armchair capacity with the SWP as well and yet you haven't commented on them attackng anti-war demonstrators in Sheffield for saying "No Hamas, No IDF?" whilst you support the Palestine Solidarity Campaign who represent Hamas.

 

Where do you get your understanding about me and the SWP? Another of your fantasies?

 

As for the the "No Hamas, No IDF" placard bearer, he should have been left alone.

 

PSC represent Hamas? Where do you get your information from.

 

PSC Aims: "in opposition to racism, including anti-Jewish prejudice and the apartheid and Zionist nature of the Israeli state"

 

http://www.palestinecampaign.org/Index5b.asp?m_id=1&l1_id=2&l2_id=10

 

Hardly unconditional support for Hamas is it?

 

Why do UAF have any affiliation at all with these groups who are undoubtedly pro-terrorist friendly towards Hamas? Hamas are as fascist and racist as you can get. Their stated aim is the death of all Jews and the destruction of the state of Israel?

 

As regards the BNP seeking money from Libya, its disgusting but not unlike your organisation seeking funds from supporters of a terrorist organisation also.

 

The groups you have cited are opposed to terrorism.

 

If you want to debate the middle east and Hamas start another thread. It has nothing to do with this one.

 

Are you saying that this doesn't happen at all?

 

It would be absurd to say it never happens, what I am saying is it isn't significant and that you picking Indians and Pakistanis out for special condemnation is dubious to say the least.

Edited March 31, 2009 by Wildcat

[Wildcat 10]

The BNP's latest campaign is to ask what would Jesus do?

 

http://www.ekklesia.co.uk/node/9093

 

Well according to this Bishop I guess he would be joining and campaigning alongside UAF.

 

http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/news/article:1134-Bishop-slams-BNP

 

But the BNP have some funny ideas, like Simon Darby accusing the Bishop of bullying....

 

The BNP seem to think a sketch like this should be taken seriously

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LS_Uvg56U_o

[Rudders 10]

Look at your BBC link again. Look at what you are saying and you will realise the two are not the same. Your argument that a UAF man hit a BNP person with a hammer is not on your link. The story you prefer and the one you keep repeating is from the BNP website. I also gave references to more than one source for my version of events, including Joe Owens.

 

You gave me a biased link, equivalent to the BNP homepage that states quite the opposite and you also include bloggers (booted out members of the BNP with an axe to grind) as your sources of truth.

 

Will you accept the BNP version of events on their website? I doubt you will. What I asked you for was independent proof of events as your UAF site describes and you can't come up with any.

 

That is what affiliated means.

 

You can be "affiliated", associated, or be a member of any organisation and not deal financially with them, yet UAF are actively funded by the organisations I have mentioned and they all have clear links to Hamas. Why do you do business with them and accept money if you know this... its a bit like the BNP taking money from Gaddafi is it not?

 

Where do you get your understanding about me and the SWP? Another of your fantasies?

 

As for the the "No Hamas, No IDF" placard bearer, he should have been left alone.

 

PSC represent Hamas? Where do you get your information from.

 

PSC Aims: "in opposition to racism, including anti-Jewish prejudice and the apartheid and Zionist nature of the Israeli state"

 

http://www.palestinecampaign.org/Index5b.asp?m_id=1&l1_id=2&l2_id=10

 

Hardly unconditional support for Hamas is it?

 

I don't get ideas and we have been here before, If PSC are so impartial and anti-racist then why did the SWP join forces with them and attack an anti-war demonstrator in Sheffield? Its no use saying they shouldn't have, I already knew that.

 

The groups you have cited are opposed to terrorism.

 

If you want to debate the middle east and Hamas start another thread. It has nothing to do with this one.

 

The groups I have cited are clearly not opposed to terrorism in case you can't read the links. The government have even broken relations with the Muslim Council of Britain over their support for Hamas, George Galloway was banned from Canada for funding Hamas and the SWP have made it plain who they support on the streets of Sheffield.

 

It would be absurd to say it never happens, what I am saying is it isn't significant and that you picking Indians and Pakistanis out for special condemnation is dubious to say the least.

 

Yes it would be absurd to say it never happens and there is no other reason than to single out India and Pakistan as they seem to be the largest in numbers followed by eastern Europe. Its not dubious by any means, only in your mind as you would like to paint me as having an agenda. You constantly skirt the issues that make you feel uncomfortable and are very selective in your answers... tell me that these organisations have no links whatsoever to Hamas with a bit of proof for a change.

Edited March 31, 2009 by Rudders

[Halibut 12]

The BNP's latest campaign is to ask what would Jesus do?

 

 

He would, of course condemn the BNP as the racist, hateful, dishonest, hurtful and divisive party that they are.

[Rudders 10]

He would, of course condemn the BNP as the racist, hateful, dishonest, hurtful and divisive party that they are.

 

He would ban all extremist organisations... assuming he existed.

[Streamline 10]

On the other thread Streamline showed us a video of some distressed looking middle aged women being harassed by a BNP cameraman.

 

You mean this one:-

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8qJpL-12OA&feature=related

 

Doesn't seem distressed to me and obviously turned up at what was meant to be a BNP meeting.

[Rudders 10]

You mean this one:-

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8qJpL-12OA&feature=related

 

Doesn't seem distressed to me and obviously turned up at what was meant to be a BNP meeting.

 

Which you know was cancelled, which is why you said "meant to be a BNP meeting," Why do you think they bothered turning up? Do you think it could have been to send out a clear message to the owner of the venue that this is what he could expect if he ever allowed them a stage again in the future? Bully tactics? Surely its not like the UAF to act in such a way?

[Thebanginman 10]

Hmm Treason = disloyalty to one's sovereign or nation.

 

In what sense is it loyal to broadcast on behalf of his countries enemy in war time propoganda intended to demoralise his fellow countrymen?

 

Of course he claimed to be American but his British passport rather said otherwise, his 20 years residence in the Uk and his involvement in politics as a Senior member of the British union of Fascists, even standing for election.

 

Even Oswald Mosley called him a traitor.

 

If you are so bright why are you defending a traitor that even Oswald Mosley washed his hands of?

Im not defending anybody really Im just pointing out that the charge of treason was contentious.