Passive Smoking

[slimsid2000]

In a previous post I likened somebody's description of smoking as 'self pollution' to self abuse. Imagian the scenario:

 

" Does anybody mind if I w***"?

 

Nobody likes to object for fear of being labeled a killjoy, Little Hitler etc etc etc.

 

There follow several dirty looks from strangers in the bar and lots of muttering under breath. Still, he continues with his habbit and talks loudly about his rights and freedoms and how all this Nanny State business has gone too far. Eventually a barman comes up;

 

"I'm sorry Sir, but this is a non-w****ing area. The w***ing area is through those doors over there".

[slimsid2000]

Originally posted by starla

trouble is cyclone i see ur view im not sayin you should have to sit in our smoke.if someone asked me not to smoke then i wouldnt!

 

 

If a complete stranger came up to you in any public place and asked you not to smoke would you really oblige?

[slimsid2000]

Originally posted by floyd77

Just a quick point, how many people, barring roy castle, do you know to have suffered from passive smoking?

 

I think the figures are about 15,000 deaths a year as a result of passive smoking. Obviously, because these are not famous people like Roy Castle they don't make the news.

[floyd77]

Originally posted by slimsid2000

I think the figures are about 15,000 deaths a year as a result of passive smoking. Obviously, because these are not famous people like Roy Castle they don't make the news.

 

If you want to talk figures - we can talk figures. I asked how many do you know? It sounds harsh, but 15000 is not a high figure, and how do we know its a direct result of passive smoking, not that there were exisiting health problems. There is great debate about this.

Do a bit of reasearch and compare this to the drink driving figures, the alcoholism figures and how many lives have been destroyed that way.

You dont get to choose whether or not a member of your family is an alky - you get to choose where to sit in the pub though.

 

This may sound harsh to all you out there - but get a life, dont you have anything better to worry about. Cant smoke at work, cant smoke on a bus, cant smoke in a restaurant - can ONLY smoke in a pub. What more do you want. Smokers dont seek you out to blow smoke at you

[slimsid2000]

Originally posted by floyd77

If you want to talk figures - we can talk figures. I asked how many do you know? It sounds harsh, but 15000 is not a high figure, and how do we know its a direct result of passive smoking, not that there were exisiting health problems. There is great debate about this.

Do a bit of reasearch and compare this to the drink driving figures, the alcoholism figures and how many lives have been destroyed that way.

You dont get to choose whether or not a member of your family is an alky - you get to choose where to sit in the pub though.

 

This may sound harsh to all you out there - but get a life, dont you have anything better to worry about. Cant smoke at work, cant smoke on a bus, cant smoke in a restaurant - can ONLY smoke in a pub. What more do you want. Smokers dont seek you out to blow smoke at you

 

Astonisingly you say 15,000 is not a high figure but if that number of people died in plane crashes every year there would be some serious questions asked about the aviation industry.

 

I don't know why you think I am in favour of drink driving or alcoholism. I am not. As far as I know I never intimated I was. Just because these things kill is hardly an argument for passive smoking.

 

Also, you seem rather put out about existing smoking restrictions. Just where exactly do you think non-smokers should be entitled to protection? Anywhere?

[starla]

Originally posted by slimsid2000

I've gone 33 years without one (excluding passive smoking of course). Surley a few hours won't kill you.

 

that is because you dont smoke so you dont kno the feelin unless you use to smoke that is. n if you had read the post properly you would see that i meant that in a case of if i went out to a club or what ever when im havin a drink. that is not some where i can jus pop out for one x

[starla]

Originally posted by slimsid2000

If a complete stranger came up to you in any public place and asked you not to smoke would you really oblige?

 

yes i would i was brought up to have respect for others and if someone asked me not to i wouldnt.i would go outside or not bother at all.im not the kind of person that would jus think oh sod him and light up!!! xx

[slimsid2000]

Originally posted by starla

that is because you dont smoke so you dont kno the feelin unless you use to smoke that is. n if you had read the post properly you would see that i meant that in a case of if i went out to a club or what ever when im havin a drink. that is not some where i can jus pop out for one x

 

So go without then. That is always an option.

[slimsid2000]

Originally posted by starla

yes i would i was brought up to have respect for others and if someone asked me not to i wouldnt.i would go outside or not bother at all.im not the kind of person that would jus think oh sod him and light up!!! xx

 

That's good to hear. Unfortunately most smokers are not considerate to that extent. That is why legislation is needed.

[Cyclone]

It's not fair to expect people who don't like cigarette smoke to go around every smoker in a pub and ask them to stop.

There may be a few as polite as yourself, but before you'd got around half the pub you'd end up defending this argument physically.

Maybe then we could argue that their face was infringing on my right to wave my fists around wherever I like. Call it passively being punched in their cigarette hole

 

SS2K - could you not just write one big post?

 

The difference between PASSIVE smoking and alchoholism are who is dying right. I don't care if every smoker in the country goes out right now and smokes themselves to death in the next half hour. Nor if every alcoholic drinks themselves to death. I do care if the alchoholic comes up to me in the pub and tries to make me join in, unfortunately with the smoker I have no choice in the matter.