Passive Smoking

[Cyclone 10]

thought of another point whilst I was out having a run (didn't see many smokers whilst I was doing that).

 

I already have the right not to be poisoned by you. It's covered in many laws.

On the other hand, there is no law that says you are allowed to smoke....

[slimsid2000 10]

Originally posted by starla

i kno that i couldnt go 3 or 4 hours without a cigerette.

 

 

I've gone 33 years without one (excluding passive smoking of course). Surley a few hours won't kill you.

[slimsid2000 10]

Originally posted by floyd77

Why dont you go outside when someone feels like a fag? Non-smokers are the ones causing all the hassle IMHO

 

And before you start, I dont even smoke anymore - just cant seem to kick the habit of 'indignant non-smoker bashing'

 

I've just been trying to point out that maybe you need to look at yourself before going on your crusade - If it means that much to you then you stop going out, and stop thinking that the world owes you.

Noone likes smoke blown in their face, so say something if it bothers you, dont just jump in and ban smoking. If someone burns a hole in your shirt with a fag end then that is careless and you should be angry - Just like when someone spills red wine on you and ruins your shirt. Your first thought there is not to ban red wine is it?

If a place is too smokey, then leave - it was smokey before you get there, so why should it change just because you have arrived?

 

Non smoking is the norm. Nobody is born with a fag in their mouth and these days three quaters of us don't smoke. Why should non-smokers have to live like hermits in order to protect their own health. Surley protection of one's health is a right we should all expect.

[slimsid2000 10]

Originally posted by starla

i dont live in hell cyclone.

i have gone many a time for 3 or 4 hours without a cigarette but not when im out socialising and havin a drink.when im having a drink i like to have a cigarette too.

 

im sure you have vices too!!

 

I'm sure we all do but we don't all inflict them on others. This is about PASSIVE smoking, not smoking as such.

[slimsid2000 10]

In a previous post I likened somebody's description of smoking as 'self pollution' to self abuse. Imagian the scenario:

 

" Does anybody mind if I w***"?

 

Nobody likes to object for fear of being labeled a killjoy, Little Hitler etc etc etc.

 

There follow several dirty looks from strangers in the bar and lots of muttering under breath. Still, he continues with his habbit and talks loudly about his rights and freedoms and how all this Nanny State business has gone too far. Eventually a barman comes up;

 

"I'm sorry Sir, but this is a non-w****ing area. The w***ing area is through those doors over there".

[slimsid2000 10]

Originally posted by starla

trouble is cyclone i see ur view im not sayin you should have to sit in our smoke.if someone asked me not to smoke then i wouldnt!

 

 

If a complete stranger came up to you in any public place and asked you not to smoke would you really oblige?

[slimsid2000 10]

Originally posted by floyd77

Just a quick point, how many people, barring roy castle, do you know to have suffered from passive smoking?

 

I think the figures are about 15,000 deaths a year as a result of passive smoking. Obviously, because these are not famous people like Roy Castle they don't make the news.

[floyd77 10]

Originally posted by slimsid2000

I think the figures are about 15,000 deaths a year as a result of passive smoking. Obviously, because these are not famous people like Roy Castle they don't make the news.

 

If you want to talk figures - we can talk figures. I asked how many do you know? It sounds harsh, but 15000 is not a high figure, and how do we know its a direct result of passive smoking, not that there were exisiting health problems. There is great debate about this.

Do a bit of reasearch and compare this to the drink driving figures, the alcoholism figures and how many lives have been destroyed that way.

You dont get to choose whether or not a member of your family is an alky - you get to choose where to sit in the pub though.

 

This may sound harsh to all you out there - but get a life, dont you have anything better to worry about. Cant smoke at work, cant smoke on a bus, cant smoke in a restaurant - can ONLY smoke in a pub. What more do you want. Smokers dont seek you out to blow smoke at you

[slimsid2000 10]

Originally posted by floyd77

If you want to talk figures - we can talk figures. I asked how many do you know? It sounds harsh, but 15000 is not a high figure, and how do we know its a direct result of passive smoking, not that there were exisiting health problems. There is great debate about this.

Do a bit of reasearch and compare this to the drink driving figures, the alcoholism figures and how many lives have been destroyed that way.

You dont get to choose whether or not a member of your family is an alky - you get to choose where to sit in the pub though.

 

This may sound harsh to all you out there - but get a life, dont you have anything better to worry about. Cant smoke at work, cant smoke on a bus, cant smoke in a restaurant - can ONLY smoke in a pub. What more do you want. Smokers dont seek you out to blow smoke at you

 

Astonisingly you say 15,000 is not a high figure but if that number of people died in plane crashes every year there would be some serious questions asked about the aviation industry.

 

I don't know why you think I am in favour of drink driving or alcoholism. I am not. As far as I know I never intimated I was. Just because these things kill is hardly an argument for passive smoking.

 

Also, you seem rather put out about existing smoking restrictions. Just where exactly do you think non-smokers should be entitled to protection? Anywhere?

[starla 10]

Originally posted by slimsid2000

I've gone 33 years without one (excluding passive smoking of course). Surley a few hours won't kill you.

 

that is because you dont smoke so you dont kno the feelin unless you use to smoke that is. n if you had read the post properly you would see that i meant that in a case of if i went out to a club or what ever when im havin a drink. that is not some where i can jus pop out for one x

[starla 10]

Originally posted by slimsid2000

If a complete stranger came up to you in any public place and asked you not to smoke would you really oblige?

 

yes i would i was brought up to have respect for others and if someone asked me not to i wouldnt.i would go outside or not bother at all.im not the kind of person that would jus think oh sod him and light up!!! xx

[slimsid2000 10]

Originally posted by starla

that is because you dont smoke so you dont kno the feelin unless you use to smoke that is. n if you had read the post properly you would see that i meant that in a case of if i went out to a club or what ever when im havin a drink. that is not some where i can jus pop out for one x

 

So go without then. That is always an option.