The Building On Angel Street Corner (Formerly Primark & C&A)

[The_DADDY 3,479]

54 minutes ago, HumbleNarrator said:

Somehow this can be done for the migrants coming over on small boats but not for sheffields homeless? 🙄

OK bro. 👍

[HeHasRisen 3,411]

9 hours ago, HumbleNarrator said:

Lol. No not really. 

Somehow this can be done for the migrants coming over on small boats but not for sheffields homeless? 🙄

Have you been out to the streets and actually asked how many of them actually want to be put up somewhere? 

 

I think you would be shocked at the answer. 

Edited May 12, 2023 by HeHasRisen

[HumbleNarrator 286]

27 minutes ago, HeHasRisen said:

Have you been out to the streets and actually asked how many of them actually want to be put up somewhere? 

 

I think you would be shocked at the answer. 

True I suppose and many of them are not literally homeless. I do have sympathy though for the many Sheffielders languishing for years on waiting lists for housing while the government/council seems to be able to find accommodation for migrants pretty quickly.

Edited May 12, 2023 by HumbleNarrator

[Organgrinder 1,946]

10 hours ago, HumbleNarrator said:

 

Somehow this can be done for the migrants coming over on small boats but not for sheffields homeless? 🙄

Exactly   -   very good point mate

Whatever can be done for migrants,  can also be done for the homeless.

What's the difference?

All people,   all different ages   both sexes,   and children of varying ages.                    -                We manage it easily when they are migrants

 

We can't accept,  it can't be done, when we already do it for another class of similar people.

 

Explain how they provide for migrants,   toilets,   washing facilities,   cooking facilities,   sleeping facilities and fulfil all health & safety laws.   every week.

If you don't know,   then you don't know why they can't do this either.   

 

The bottom line is  you don't want it to be done.             snookered

Edited May 12, 2023 by Organgrinder

[HeHasRisen 3,411]

It's pointless having a discussion with the above as he has me on ignore. Just for the record. 

[Organgrinder 1,946]

21 minutes ago, HeHasRisen said:

It's pointless having a discussion with the above as he has me on ignore. Just for the record. 

HHR  was put on ignore for countering with snipey schoolboy wisecracks,  instead of reasoned debate on any subject and I don't deal with kids.  same as another member on here actually.

 

Explain how they provide for migrants,   toilets,   washing facilities,   cooking facilities,   sleeping facilities and fulfil all health & safety laws.   every week.

If you don't know,   then you don't know why they can't do this either.   

 

 

The bottom line is  you don't want it to be done.  

 

Edited May 12, 2023 by Organgrinder

[HeHasRisen 3,411]

Oh my, he isnt ignoring me.

 

OK then....like I said, the vast majority of people on the streets actually have homes to go to. The rest can choose to access existing housing solutions, and guess what? They dont. For whatever reason (because they prefer the streets, embarrassment, because they are constantly high/drunk, because they are extremely violent, because they have in the past and have been kicked out for misbehaving, or a combination of them all).

 

Migrants generally arent chaotic and will happily take a hotel room when fleeing whatever they are fleeing in whatever country they have come from. A totally different mindset to homeless people.

 

Add to that empty commercial buildings not set up for human habitation cant be used to house anyone, it isnt legal. Migrants are NOT being placed in empty commercial buildings with a lack of basic facilities.

Edited May 12, 2023 by HeHasRisen

[Dannyno 19]

There's a massive misunderstanding here of the linked but distinct issues of rough sleeping and homelessness.   Those "begging", or being exploited to do so, may or may not be homeless and if they are they may or may not be sleeping rough.

 

Sheffield has dozens rather than hundreds of rough sleepers - eg people who regularly sleep on the streets (there might be people who do it once or twice before they are contacted).    There is overnight provision for people who might otherwise sleep on the streets, and it is offered.    The problem is not that there is no alternative to sleeping on the streets.    The relative few who do sleep on the streets regularly do so for complex reasons: drink, drugs, mental health, violence etc etc.

 

Very many more people are homeless but not sleeping rough - this includes families etc, who may have been evicted for example.      They are not sleeping rough, but they don't have a home they can call their own.   Instead, they are being put up in temporary accommodation like hostels or hotels or b&bs or whatever, or, sleeping on sofas or whatever.

 

In other words, migrants (of any kind) aren't being better treated.  Help is available for anyone with nowhere to stay.   It's just that it's temporary, or not suitable in the long term, and probably expensive for the State.

 

So the problem isn't necessarily with finding somewhere for people to live.  The problem is that there isn't enough supply of social housing with affordable rents. 

 

But note that sadly the provision of social housing with affordable rent will not solve the issue of rough sleeping, because it has different causes.    

 

It's useful to read what Shelter say:

https://england.shelter.org.uk/support_us/campaigns/what_is_the_housing_emergency

[HumbleNarrator 286]

A few months ago I was riding my bike along the canal towpath and I passed someone asleep in a sleeping bag underneath one of the bridges.

[HeHasRisen 3,411]

18 minutes ago, Dannyno said:

There's a massive misunderstanding here of the linked but distinct issues of rough sleeping and homelessness.   Those "begging", or being exploited to do so, may or may not be homeless and if they are they may or may not be sleeping rough.

 

Sheffield has dozens rather than hundreds of rough sleepers - eg people who regularly sleep on the streets (there might be people who do it once or twice before they are contacted).    There is overnight provision for people who might otherwise sleep on the streets, and it is offered.    The problem is not that there is no alternative to sleeping on the streets.    The relative few who do sleep on the streets regularly do so for complex reasons: drink, drugs, mental health, violence etc etc.

 

Very many more people are homeless but not sleeping rough - this includes families etc, who may have been evicted for example.      They are not sleeping rough, but they don't have a home they can call their own.   Instead, they are being put up in temporary accommodation like hostels or hotels or b&bs or whatever, or, sleeping on sofas or whatever.

 

In other words, migrants (of any kind) aren't being better treated.  Help is available for anyone with nowhere to stay.   It's just that it's temporary, or not suitable in the long term, and probably expensive for the State.

 

So the problem isn't necessarily with finding somewhere for people to live.  The problem is that there isn't enough supply of social housing with affordable rents. 

 

But note that sadly the provision of social housing with affordable rent will not solve the issue of rough sleeping, because it has different causes.    

 

It's useful to read what Shelter say:

https://england.shelter.org.uk/support_us/campaigns/what_is_the_housing_emergency

Fantastic post.

 

The media doesnt help. Some outlets would have you believe the street are absolutely littered with homeless people and half of them are war veterans. Absolute cobblers.

[Dannyno 19]

On 11/05/2023 at 00:49, hackey lad said:

Are they big ? What price ? By the way , I thought we were talking about city centre living 

The 2021 census results have information about housing in the city centre.

 

I had a look at "City" ward, which is a bit bigger than just the exact city centre, but it will do.

 

According to the Office for National Statistics, 21,500 people live in "City".   Of these, just over 14% live in a house or bungalow, 85.7% live in a flat or maisonette, and there are 0.1% living in caravans or some other arrangement.

 

49.5% of households consist of one person, 34.3% are single family households, and there are 16.1% "other".    35% are two-people households, and 7.5% three-people households. 8% consist of four people or more.

 

Unsurprisingly, therefore, 47.8% of households only have one bedroom, 35.5% have two bedrooms, 8.6% have three bedrooms, and 8.2% have four bedrooms or more.  That matches occupancy more or less, so there's probably not a great deal of overcrowding.

 

If you want to have a look at the stats, you can do so here:  https://www.ons.gov.uk/visualisations/areas/area/?code=E05010862

[Dannyno 19]

5 hours ago, HumbleNarrator said:

True I suppose and many of them are not literally homeless. I do have sympathy though for the many Sheffielders languishing for years on waiting lists for housing while the government/council seems to be able to find accommodation for migrants pretty quickly.

Again, this misunderstands what is happening.  While people are on a waiting list for housing, they will have got accommodation somewhere else.  They may have been able to lodge with friends or family, or they may be being helped by a local council and perhaps put up in short term or emergency accommodation.

 

"Finding accommodation" for new arrivals to the country is not the same as finding a permanent home for them.   You are suggesting here that "Sheffielders languishing for years on waiting lists" have not been "found accommodation", but that is incorrect.

 

New arrivals may not know anybody to stay with, and so they are more often forced into Home Office or other temporary, emergency accommodation.   For new arrivals who are seeking asylum, special temporary support accommodation is I think provided, but once someone is accepted as a refugee, they have to leave and either get assistance from a council to avoid being made homeless or go into private rented accommodation.  Being a migrant or a refugee isn't regarded as automatically high priority.