El Cid Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 That's not the point. Those 4 million people knew UKIP were going to be severely under-represented in parliament, but voted for them anyway. Are you not familiar with the principle of tactical voting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbeliever Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 Are you not familiar with the principle of tactical voting? PR is not needed to remove the temptation to vote tactically. AV would have corrected that. The people rejected it and I guarantee that they'd reject PR for the commons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Cid Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 PR is not needed to remove the temptation to vote tactically. So you are aware of tactical voting. How many more may have voted for UKIP had it been a different voting system? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbeliever Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 So you are aware of tactical voting. How many more may have voted for UKIP had it been a different voting system? I have no idea. Conservatives voted tactically for UKIP to keep Labour out. UKIPers voted tactically for the Conservatives to keep Labour out. There was tactical voting all over the place. But mostly people just vote for the party they want. We were offered AV. AV allows you to vote ideologically and tactically at the same time. We rejected it. It's done. We lost. It's over. vox populi vox dei Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Cid Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 I have no idea. But mostly people just vote for the party they want. You are saying that you have no idea, and then you are saying most vote for their first choice party, both cannot be true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbeliever Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 You are saying that you have no idea, and then you are saying most vote for their first choice party, both cannot be true. I know that most people vote ideologically. As to whether UKIP would have got 2 million or 6 million votes without tactical voting, I can't say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Cid Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 I know that most people vote ideologically. As to whether UKIP would have got 2 million or 6 million votes without tactical voting, I can't say. electoral-reform society - Nearly one in ten people will be forced to vote 'tactically' on May 7th, according ... 9% of the public are planning on voting for a party that isn't their first choice. 2% fewer votes for the Tories would have meant that they wouldnt have a majority, although that is just a guess !! ---------- Post added 05-08-2015 at 14:05 ---------- I know that most people vote ideologically. Like an environmentalist would vote Green, I dont think so lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbeliever Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 electoral-reform society - Nearly one in ten people will be forced to vote 'tactically' on May 7th, according ... 9% of the public are planning on voting for a party that isn't their first choice. 2% fewer votes for the Tories would have meant that they wouldnt have a majority, although that is just a guess !! So 91% voted ideologically. Consistent with what I said. Don't forget that some Conservatives also voted tactically for UKIP. ---------- Post added 05-08-2015 at 14:06 ---------- electoral-reform society - Nearly one in ten people will be forced to vote 'tactically' on May 7th, according ... 9% of the public are planning on voting for a party that isn't their first choice. 2% fewer votes for the Tories would have meant that they wouldnt have a majority, although that is just a guess !! ---------- Post added 05-08-2015 at 14:05 ---------- Like an environmentalist would vote Green, I dont think so lol Why not? I know plenty who did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Cid Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 Why not? I know plenty who did. Are most environmentalists on the left? Wouldnt there be 50% on the left and 50% on the right? ---------- Post added 05-08-2015 at 14:19 ---------- So 91% voted ideologically. Consistent with what I said. 2% fewer votes for the Tories would have meant that they wouldnt have a majority, although that is just a guess !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbeliever Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 Are most environmentalists on the left? Wouldnt there be 50% on the left and 50% on the right? ---------- Post added 05-08-2015 at 14:19 ---------- 2% fewer votes for the Tories would have meant that they wouldnt have a majority, although that is just a guess !! Mostly socialists I think. Otherwise you would expect a competing party to emerge as the Green party are staunch socialists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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