rodnreeluk   10 #6565 Posted June 23, 2016 Can you explain who these 'unelected bureaucrats' areThe EU commissioners. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
samssong   10 #6566 Posted June 23, 2016 Blue collar votes. At every turn the leave campaign is founded on lies and untruths. It doesnt surprise me that the lower working class are taken in by the rhetoric of anti-immigration, more money for the NHS and all the other lies Johnson and co peddle. You mean the great un listened to . One day the tide will change ,it may be tomorrow. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
rodnreeluk   10 #6567 Posted June 23, 2016 4% of laws last year and we had a vote on all of them.A meaningless vote so far as the UK is concerned, as we are such a minority in the EU and mostly out-voted. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
I1L2T3 Â Â 10 #6568 Posted June 23, 2016 The EU commissioners. Â They don't pass any laws Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
unbeliever   10 #6569 Posted June 23, 2016 Er, not exactly. There are some things that need to be done over multiple parliaments, and require political consensus. The building of new transport infrastructure, power infrastructure, warships, defence systems, ports, airports etc... etc...  These are just a few examples and these are the relatively straightforward ones, although still prone to meddling and cancellation for political reasons.  Our relationship with the EU and our trade relationship with the rest of the world is not something we should be leaving to the vagaries of extremely short-termist political parties. It would be a disaster.  So. If there is a consensus amongst the people that it should be done, a consensus will naturally emerge in the main political parties. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
crookedspire   10 #6570 Posted June 23, 2016 What if the vote ends up with a 50/50 half remain the other half out. Any ideas? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
rodnreeluk   10 #6571 Posted June 23, 2016 They don't pass any lawsNo, but they formulate and agree them, then pass them to the EU parliament for rubber stamping. Cite David Cameron's negotiations to reform the EU. Agreement was reached without any consultation with MEPs. They are expected to simply pass the deal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
unbeliever   10 #6572 Posted June 23, 2016 They don't pass any laws  What!?! They initiate ALL legislation. In principle it has to be approved by the parliament but in no sense is is not "passed" by the commission.  ---------- Post added 23-06-2016 at 16:57 ----------  What if the vote ends up with a 50/50 half remain the other half out. Any ideas?  Multiple recounts (to minimise counting errors) until a verdict is reached, even if it ends up being by 1 vote. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Waddle   10 #6573 Posted June 23, 2016  [/color]I'm sick of the leave side trying to stifle our success. On the one hand you say you want a prosperous economy while on the other you say we will raise the drawbridge.  It's a ludicrous standpoint.  Most Leave supporters agree immigration is a good thing and needed for a thriving economy  The issue is in the uncontrolled numbers of unskilled EU migrants that makes it impossible to plan social services and infrastructure for the future  By all means if you have the skills we need and will make a contribution to society, you are more than welcome  Ask not what this country can do for you but what you can do for this country Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
nightrider   13 #6574 Posted June 23, 2016 What if the vote ends up with a 50/50 half remain the other half out. Any ideas?  Coin toss? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
JFKvsNixon   11 #6575 Posted June 23, 2016 What!?! They initiate ALL legislation. In principle it has to be approved by the parliament but in no sense is is not "passed" by the commission.  ---------- Post added 23-06-2016 at 16:57 ----------   Multiple recounts (to minimise counting errors) until a verdict is reached, even if it ends up being by 1 vote.  Multiple recounts are carried out, how do they judge which recount is the correct one? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
I1L2T3 Â Â 10 #6576 Posted June 23, 2016 So. If there is a consensus amongst the people that it should be done, a consensus will naturally emerge in the main political parties. Â Will it? Anything to do with Europe is the least likely thing to lead to consensus formation in the UK. We are literally 50/50 split. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...