Spanish locksmiths say "No hay más"

[Tradescanthia]

well said but just how far further in to poverty will the people realise that its time do do something about it

 

Organisations are ripping us off with the assistance and blessing of this shower of a Tory Government.............. maybe too many ministers recieving 'favours'.

We have HM Opposition, Milliband, Balls [load of] and co. We have Trade Unions who have forgotten why they were formed. NO LEADERSHIP !!! Nice soft MP's jobs, no spirit or conviction [only for fraudulent expenses claims].

I walked past my own Unions offices, the GMB. Their shop front looks more like an insurance brokers than a trade union office. All they do is sell insurance.

We dont want total anarchy, just a government which treats people with respect and dignity.

 

Perhaps MP's should be referred to as 'The DIShonourable Member for...........'

[donkey]

Organisations are ripping us off with the assistance and blessing of this shower of a Tory Government.............. maybe too many ministers recieving 'favours'.

We have HM Opposition, Milliband, Balls [load of] and co. We have Trade Unions who have forgotten why they were formed. NO LEADERSHIP !!! Nice soft MP's jobs, no spirit or conviction [only for fraudulent expenses claims].

I walked past my own Unions offices, the GMB. Their shop front looks more like an insurance brokers than a trade union office. All they do is sell insurance.

We dont want total anarchy, just a government which treats people with respect and dignity.

 

Perhaps MP's should be referred to as 'The DIShonourable Member for...........'

 

 

Western democracy has been subverted by a system of legal bribery known as 'lobbying.' The more money you have the more political influence you can buy. Is it any wonder that the top politicians in all major parties are now posh boys who have been fast trascked to the top through a system of private educational institutions and internships? None of them have worked their way up the ranks, and none of them have anything in common with the majority of ordinary working class and middle class people. They are there to do the bidding of bankers, corporations and oligarchs. All other business comes second.

 

Until we do away with the systems by which politicians act as professional prostitutes to the highest bidder, we are doomed to live in a corporate dictatorship, where we have the democratic right to vote for this gang of lackeys, or the other gang of corporate lackeys over there. Unfortunately - given that any democratic means by which this situation could be remedied has been sold at auction - this is not a situation which is about to change any time soon.

[That easy]

Excellent post, donkey. Brilliantly put.

[WeX]

Excellent post, donkey. Brilliantly put.

 

I second that, Donkey has hit the nail on the head.

[Cyclone]

Western democracy has been subverted by a system of legal bribery known as 'lobbying.' The more money you have the more political influence you can buy. Is it any wonder that the top politicians in all major parties are now posh boys who have been fast trascked to the top through a system of private educational institutions and internships? None of them have worked their way up the ranks, and none of them have anything in common with the majority of ordinary working class and middle class people. They are there to do the bidding of bankers, corporations and oligarchs. All other business comes second.

 

Until we do away with the systems by which politicians act as professional prostitutes to the highest bidder, we are doomed to live in a corporate dictatorship, where we have the democratic right to vote for this gang of lackeys, or the other gang of corporate lackeys over there. Unfortunately - given that any democratic means by which this situation could be remedied has been sold at auction - this is not a situation which is about to change any time soon.

 

Anyone is free to stand as an independent of course, and political lobbying is unlikely to be able to stop them or to stop people voting for them.

 

It sounds a lot like you're describing the US system to me, I don't recognise it as being a good description of the UK system.

[donkey]

Anyone is free to stand as an independent of course, and political lobbying is unlikely to be able to stop them or to stop people voting for them.

 

 

You need financial support and a good relationship with powerful media people to succeed. The fact that any candidate who falls short of these criterion never gets very far, provides a statistically based objective demonstration that this is true. It is pretty obvious that media barons and financial backers are going to put conditions on their support. If you don't meet those conditions, their are plenty of candidates who do.

 

Then there are the legions of ex-MPs and prime ministers who are awarded paid directorships in companies and corporations upon their retirement from (or sometimes during) political careers. Having supposedly been in full time employment, what could they possibly have done to earn these positions? Do business people lavish these rewards on them for nothing?

 

The fact that avenues to the top of politics for ordinary people have been pretty much shut down is beyond dispute. Andrew Neill demonstrated this in a comprehensive and well researched programme he made on the subject.

 

Or do you believe it is a coincidence that the political elite in all three main parties are extremely wealthy, privately educated and without life experience beyond their own social group?

[Cyclone]

You just need more votes than the other candidates standing in your area.

 

Having been in full time employment running a country I suppose employers might consider them to have demonstrated high level managerial and leadership skills and thus be appropriate people to fill non executive directorship roles.

[Tradescanthia]

You just need more votes than the other candidates standing in your area.

 

Having been in full time employment running a country I suppose employers might consider them to have demonstrated high level managerial and leadership skills and thus be appropriate people to fill non executive directorship roles.

 

Donkey isn't referring to the winning of an election. He is referring to the type of person selected to become candidates and the way they conduct themselves once in Parliament. Our 'class warriors' are no longer. We have to choose between Tory 'posh boys' or Labour 'posh boys'.

To my mind Parliament has lost touch with the people and most MP's have lost the plot.

Our leaders have forgotten their roots. Politics is now classed as 'un-cool' amongst the young and the typical breeding grounds for Socialists, the pits and steelworks are no more.

[neepsendlane]

Western democracy has been subverted by a system of legal bribery known as 'lobbying.' The more money you have the more political influence you can buy. Is it any wonder that the top politicians in all major parties are now posh boys who have been fast trascked to the top through a system of private educational institutions and internships? None of them have worked their way up the ranks, and none of them have anything in common with the majority of ordinary working class and middle class people. They are there to do the bidding of bankers, corporations and oligarchs. All other business comes second.

 

Until we do away with the systems by which politicians act as professional prostitutes to the highest bidder, we are doomed to live in a corporate dictatorship, where we have the democratic right to vote for this gang of lackeys, or the other gang of corporate lackeys over there. Unfortunately - given that any democratic means by which this situation could be remedied has been sold at auction - this is not a situation which is about to change any time soon.

Perhaps a new political party is on the horizon.

[Cyclone]

Donkey isn't referring to the winning of an election. He is referring to the type of person selected to become candidates and the way they conduct themselves once in Parliament. Our 'class warriors' are no longer. We have to choose between Tory 'posh boys' or Labour 'posh boys'.

To my mind Parliament has lost touch with the people and most MP's have lost the plot.

Our leaders have forgotten their roots. Politics is now classed as 'un-cool' amongst the young and the typical breeding grounds for Socialists, the pits and steelworks are no more.

 

I wasn't referring to the sort of person 'selected' to become a candidate either.

You realise that anyone can stand for parliament right? You don't need the permission or support of an existing party.

Why don't you both stand instead of just moaning that you don't like the people who do stand?