Strike Action - Public Service - 30th November

[gnvqsos]

It's not often you are wrong but you are wrong yet again

 

I didn't say we shouldn't have the Olympics. I was trying to put into context the extent of the borrowing to keep you lot in jobs. Personally I wouldn't borrow a penny.

 

The UK was never showing the fastest recovery, it's always been Germany.

 

We are nothing like as bad as many countries because people are still willing to lend us the money. As soon as they stop you'll know about it. When they stopped bailing out Greece it had to cut it's public sector by 25%, raise pension ages, cut salaries and still can't balance the books because their interest rates have gone up to 11%. Italy's went up 6% overnight when they nearly defaulted on their debt. So far Osbourne has kept us afloat despite your best efforts. Balls' great idea is to borrow even more.

 

Frankly, you loons are not going to understand the problem until that happens to us. I almost wish it would just to see if it sinks in. I don't have a mortgage so if interest rates went up to 15% it wouldn't bother me at all. I suspect many of the deluded fools out on the streets tomorrow would be very very badly affected. A 25% cut in the size of the public sector would actually do a great deal to cut the debt mountain Labour racked up.

 

Got any ideas how to pay the borrowings back?

 

Didn't think so.

 

The government does not borrow from other countries,but raises money internally.If mortgages were to rise you would be affected indirectly.I think you too may be deluded as you seem to lack both conventional and economic literacy,and when you come to downsize it could be hard to sell your studio apartment on Wybourne:hihi:

[zoebailey]

hi

iam sorry but unless your in the possition that your gonna lose out people shouldnt comment on what they dont no, my husband will b joining hopfully millions across the counrty to save his pension at the rate he has been paying it, the goverment go on about saving billions, they need to look closer to home and cut their spending on things that the pubic dont see the private jets the hotels the tax payer has to pay for so while they live the high life at tax payers expence the tax payer lives in squalor and try to pinch pennys to pay for meals the goverment need to get out and let standard every day people do the job let them clean litter up or put fires out and see what lifes really about

 

moan over thanks :huh:

 

pssss do we really need 300+ mps and all their jobs worth people to lick the mps envelopes or order films on behalf of the mp, they arnt royals get a grip you money grabbing **********

Edited November 29, 2011 by zoebailey
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[Joe-b-1]

I have allowed for those pots that are self-sustaining in my post. Suggest you re-read it.

 

Not all public pension pots are self-sustaining, far from it. Suggest you read this (for example).

 

I suppose a bit of the self-sustaining pots (just enough to leave them in a self-sustaining state) could always be redistributed amongst the non-self-sustaining ones to try and improve the overall picture...Now that would make for interesting talks across public sector unions Divide-and-Conquer™, the Next Level™

 

Sorry I did read it I just didn't word my response as fluently as I may have done - what I meant to say is that even though you were allowing for self - sustaining pensions the government are not and are sweeping all with one big brush. I really don't see any future in your "tongue in cheek" suggestion though - after all where would you stop? Perhaps MP's pensions could be dropped into the pot as well lol. Oh well I suppose that just killed off that idea.

[gnvqsos]

How about a free lesson in economics? Should be good for a laugh.

 

If you are offering a lesson from you would be great.Shall we start with Adam(Smith),or with David Hume?I think you mean the Delia Smith version now dont you?

[zoebailey]

I am with you, I have worked in the private sector since leaving school in 1980, never claimed benefits, have my own house. Have 2 children whose child care we have paid for, nothing from the state at any pont in my working life. Paid into a pension since I was 18, it's worth almost nothing when I do eventually get to retire.

 

Will I support the public sector? Not a chance they need to get in the real world.

 

iam sorry but i think your wrong, my husband has worker since he was 16 and paid his pension all his life our children have had child care so i could work and we have never had hand outs as you call it, but just remember when you get to the age when you need your pension and its at an all time low, how are you going to support your self without hand outs from goverment as you may think you entitled to say £300 per mth on you pension but the cost of living is going to rise and your £300 per mth wont go no where, my husband along with the rest of the public sector are trying to get a fair deal for all

[Joe-b-1]

You know what? I think I'll just sit around and let you pay for me and my pension and my petrol and beer and food and everything else I need.

 

I've worked hard for nearly 40 years without a break. I'm tired of working and having half my earnings taken to pay for a bunch of ungrateful deadbeats. I think I'll join the Something for Nothing Socialists and sit on my a**e all day and watch you lot work. Great system you have created isn't it?

 

Sounds like you already have no problem with sitting on your arse all day. I suppose practice makes perfect. Unemployment is usually at it's highest when the tories are in power so how come you are blaming Labour? Oh -and no this situation wasn't brought about by Labour except perhaps through blue tinged spectacles. All Europe is in the proverbial.

[Andy]

If you are looking for information about services affected by tomorrow's strike, please see this thread

 

Please also use the thread linked above if you have information about a service which is closed that you want to share.

 

Thanks

[Jim Graham]

The government does not borrow from other countries,but raises money internally.If mortgages were to rise you would be affected indirectly.I think you too may be deluded as you seem to lack both conventional and economic literacy,and when you come to downsize it could be hard to sell your studio apartment on Wybourne:hihi:

 

 

 

Oh Dear Oh Dear. No wonder we are where we are.

 

Where do you get your information from? Gordon Brown? You have all the qualifications to be Emeritus Professor of Labournomics at the University of LaLaLand

 

Nobody in this country has got enough money to be lending us £4,000,000,000 a WEEK. Not even Tony Blair.

 

External debt (or foreign debt) is that part of the total debt in a country that is owed to creditors outside the country. The debt includes money owed to private commercial banks, other governments, or international financial institutions such as the International Monetary Fund (IMF) and World Bank.

 

Remember Labour of the 1970s going cap in hand to the IMF for a bailout? Thought not.

 

So not only have Labour given the country the right royal screw job they've also sold our soul to every dodgy tax haven investor, oil rich sheik AND China.

 

It's going to be difficult to get China to tow the line on human rights now isn't it as we owe them zillions and if we offend them they'll pull the plug on us. Nice going Labour loons. Way to take away our moral high ground.

[Guest]

As I've said previously, the only winners here are those at the top (whether it be public or private sector. Ordinary workers shouldn't be squabbling with each other but raging against those with huge pensions, bonuses and pay at the top. This is what they want, public and private pointing fingers at each other. let's look at some facts about the bully boy MPs

 

"The House of Commons Information Office's own summary of the scheme reveals the following: 1. Unlike the 40-50 years of work being demanded of public servants to receive a full pension, MPs have to work only 20 years (yes, you read that right!); 2. They receive an annual salary of approximately £66,000 (exclusive of the multitude of Directorships – the majority of the Cabinet are millionaires in their own right) which amounts to a little under treble that of the ‘gold plated’ average pay of civil servants; 3. An annual accrual rate of 1/40th (most public sector pensions are 1/80th); 4. A pension payment that is linked to the Retail Price Index (RPI) which is the index the Government is seeking to move away from in public pensions."

 

We're in this together are we?

 

Let's look at the average worker

 

"Under the 'improved' agreements a 30-year-old civil servant on the average wage with 10 years' service will as a result of the reforms need to work an extra eight years and still lose over £115,000 from their total pension package. All this while the average pension paid to former civil servants is just £4,200 per year."

 

Read more: http://blogcritics.org/politics/article/public-pensions-what-you-wont-hear/#ixzz1f7qLVbCN

 

does this seem fair to you?

 

and

 

"My suggestion is throw the Hutton report at anyone who claims there's a £1.1tn "black hole" in public sector pensions and says the country simply can't afford it. As a proportion of GDP, the report shows that the cost of public sector pensions is around 1.7-1.8% of GDP, but will fall from now on – down to around 1.6% of GDP by 2030 and 1.4% by 2060. Yes, the fact that we're living longer means that NHS and long-term care costs are likely to spiral – but that's a separate issue to pensions."

 

I believe the tax not collected from large corporations is more of a percentage of GDP that this.

 

oh look, and more unfairness with senior civil servants

 

"The one thing you can't argue, however, is that high-paid public sector workers don't have a good deal. A senior local government officer on £100,000 a year will pick up £52,900 a year plus a lump sum of £123,750. Similar middle-class professionals in the private sector can only dream of such payouts, which would cost upwards of £1m to fund. Yes, point to the fact that the average public sector worker retires with a pension that is a tiny fraction of that. But, in truth, the cost to the public purse of top-end pensions is indefensible – not least those paid out to MPs."

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/joepublic/2011/nov/29/public-sector-pensions-top-end-indefensible?newsfeed=true

 

My point being, normal workers are losing out here. With this, extra NI, the pay freeze, inflation, VAT, I'll be taking a real time pay cut of over 10% from 3 years ago. The same can't be said for those at the top. Indeed, they are paying themselves more.

 

In reality it should be the normal workers in every industry against those at the top. If you're in the private sector and still think we have gold plated pensions then think on this. Our pension is used as an excuse for low salaries. If they cut our pensions, the private sector will follow suit one way or another.

 

And whilst I hate union leaders, they have managed to organise this strike at least.

[gnvqsos]

Oh Dear Oh Dear. No wonder we are where we are.

 

Where do you get your information from? Gordon Brown? You have all the qualifications to be Emeritus Professor of Labournomics at the University of LaLaLand

 

Nobody in this country has got enough money to be lending us £4,000,000,000 a WEEK. Not even Tony Blair.

 

External debt (or foreign debt) is that part of the total debt in a country that is owed to creditors outside the country. The debt includes money owed to private commercial banks, other governments, or international financial institutions such as the International Monetary Fund (IMF) and World Bank.

 

Remember Labour of the 1970s going cap in hand to the IMF for a bailout? Thought not.

 

So not only have Labour given the country the right royal screw job they've also sold our soul to every dodgy tax haven investor, oil rich sheik AND China.

 

It's going to be difficult to get China to tow the line on human rights now isn't it as we owe them zillions and if we offend them they'll pull the plug on us. Nice going Labour loons. Way to take away our moral high ground.

 

Do you realise that the more you write the less you are read.You are not even funny so why would people read your posts?I do not read them as I can get tosh like this with the Mail on Line.Everyone of your sentences is a cliche-do you cut and paste?

Edited November 29, 2011 by gnvqsos