Left or Right.. politically.

[TJC1 10]

Or perhaps you should take a look at the whole list of members of Parliament and you will see that a great many of them have come from nothing.

 

Prescott made Deputy PM - and that was despite being a moron.

 

Proves my point. Prescott is an exception to the rule. Its not a coincidence the mayor of London and the PM come from similar backgrounds. You find a lot of people in 'power' will have an Eton (or similar) background. This is beyond the aspirations of the majority of people.

 

Im not saying people shouldnt try but to deny theres a class divide in this country is denying the truth.

Edited January 10, 2011 by TJC1
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[sharrowman 10]

despite all the discussion on this thread, not one poster has pointed out that KellieB's original thread makes very little sense.

 

The opening paragraph is garbled nonsense, what does it mean?

 

"Who pays the most for being left, the right? Do the left just rely on taxing the aspirational who make something of themselves to also get on themselves on the back of the inspirational who use their own money to fund advances that give the less inspirational the chance of a job that they will eventually throw it back in their face due to union intervention, who never lose a days pay even though its on average five times the workers pay they presume to represent with zero mortgage interest and bonuses. Not to mention the gilt edged pensions.... not very socialist like."

 

Full of false dichotomies, hyperbole, prejudice, weird non-sequiters and tired partisan feeling.

 

Themes that have been largely continued in the confused pseudo political meanderings that have followed it.

 

Depressing.

Edited January 10, 2011 by sharrowman
improved cleverarity

[dell12 10]

Unless we're singing the praises of capitalism and prioritising wealth over everything else, is creating wealth really what matters?

 

That aside, where would most normal house owners be now without a bank to give them a mortgage? Or to loan them the money they need when their gas boiler breaks down and needs replacing? Or to provide financial indemnity for the company that insures their car? Or to send money to a company abroad they want to buy a book from?

 

The world as we know it would not work without banks - they facilitate all wealth creation for all industries..

 

I was merely using some of the functions that banks offer as examples. There are a great number of socially detrimental jobs that require a great deal of skill.

 

Just because someone has a great skill doesn't mean that they will either put it to better use, or make a great contribution to society than someone who doesn't possess such skills.

 

On a slightly different note, you only have to look at the numbers of children coming from private schools attending Oxbridge (just under 50% against the 7% of students who are privately educated) to know that somethings will never change.

[sharrowman 10]

"There are a great number of socially detrimental jobs that require a great deal of skill."

 

Arms dealer?

[TJC1 10]

I was merely using some of the functions that banks offer as examples. There are a great number of socially detrimental jobs that require a great deal of skill.

 

Just because someone has a great skill doesn't mean that they will either put it to better use, or make a great contribution to society than someone who doesn't possess such skills.

 

On a slightly different note, you only have to look at the numbers of children coming from private schools attending Oxbridge (just under 50% against the 7% of students who are privately educated) to know that somethings will never change.

 

Exactly. No way is there a level playing field. To get to certain jobs, folk from disadvantaged /working class/ lower middle class backgrounds have to work twice as hard.

[dell12 10]

Exactly. No way is there a level playing field. To get to certain jobs, folk from disadvantaged /working class/ lower middle class backgrounds have to work twice as hard.

 

Indeed.

 

One third of MPs are privately educated. (Nearly 50% of Tory MPs are)

Lawyers (15%)

Judges (75%)

House of Lords (63%)

Journalists (55%)

Barristers (70%)

[TJC1 10]

Indeed.

 

One third of MPs are privately educated. (Nearly 50% of Tory MPs are)

Lawyers (15%)

Judges (75%)

House of Lords (63%)

Journalists (55%)

Barristers (70%)

 

Basically most people in power, old boys network and all that. I was talking to a trainee solicitor the other day, I said why dont you train as a barrister? she said because it cost 75 grand!

 

Although this isnt to say you cant earn loads of money, its a free market after all. But the ability to really change things and influence is reserved for the privilidged and elite.

[Phanerothyme 12]

Full of false dichotomies

Get used to it, or die.

, hyperbole, prejudice, weird non-sequiturs...

 

This is totally untrue. Having

benefited so much from the state it is fair , or a tory ) Arh , I

think that you got where you are paid. Sorry KellieB but council

housing has always provided or subsidised your previous education ,

the right ? Do the left just rely on taxing the aspirational who make

something of themselves to also get on themselves on the back of the

inspirational who use their own money to pay for them for giving us a

chance because they have to.... the conservatives then take office (

with Lib Dems in 2010 ) to fix the problem is , you 're scared of

losing ?

[Organgrinder 1,946]

Well, I’ll try to discover if there are more people in the world than ‘them and us’, if you try to be less envious of people who are better off?

 

 

I'm a very contented man and not the slightest bit envious of anyone and wish the rich, full enjoyment of their wealth (after they have paid their taxes) but the thread is simply about whether the highly paid should pay more income tax than the poorly paid, and I think it's right that they should.

 

If you choose to differ, that's fine but it's not going to change so you may as well learn to live with it.

 

Income tax is not the only tax we pay and the poor already pay a greater proportion of their income in taxes than do the rich. - furthermore, the poor don't spend their lives squealing about it or threaten to emigrate.

[zakes 68]

Left or Right......Politically

 

Left is right, and right is wrong.

[Rupert_Baehr 10]

And you or you kind can’t do without a steady flow of factory fodder......... status quo or should that be "statu quo" if you have two degrees.

 

Well, if you had Three Degrees it certainly wouldn't be Status Quo.

 

There's a world of difference between Soul and Rock.

[Conrod 10]

Left or Right......Politically

 

Left is right, and right is wrong.

Care to explain why? Each has its strengths and weaknesses - which carry most weight for you?