hillsbro

Just looking in old directories, Fred Coulson's business appears in the 1911, 1922 and 1925 directories. The 1930 directory shows "G. S. & J. Ramsden, hatters" at 686 Attercliffe Road. They were there until the late 1940s when a dentist was at that address.

Hi Padders - Marion, bless her, is on a diet but I rather suspect that it will be suspended for a while. 😄

Well, many thanks to Padders, Mr Bloke, jane2008, nikki-red and others who, over the years, have said nice things about what I do via the Forum. I am quite overwhelmed (even humbled) but,  really, I quite enjoy using a little knowledge of Sheffield, a pile of reference books (old Kelly's directories etc.), the Internet and other resources to find out what people want to know.

Thanks again, everyone! 🙂

There is a 1981 photo of the chippy on the "picturesheffield" site - here is a link: https://www.picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;u06598&pos=49&action=zoom&id=99238

I did a little more online research - Frances' husband's name was Donald and it seems he also lived to a good age; he died aged 94 in May 2006. R.I.P Frances and Donald.

45 minutes ago, Mags said:

Reading this interesting thread reminded me that whenever my parents where looking to buy anything they would always say " Patnicks will have one" It was a sort of mantra...

 

 

Yes, I grew up in Hillsborough and remember hearing the phrase "Patnicks will have one" (and it was often true!) Here is a link to a photo of the Langsett Road shop in the book "A Hillsborough Camera" by the late Jack Wrigley. https://i.postimg.cc/qM8VqGm3/Patnick.jpg

Looking in the deaths index there is no entry for a Sarah Lapatnick. I checked a number of variations in the surname etc. but nothing came up. Also, I cannot find another marriage entry for Hyman, so I'm afraid this remains a mystery.  But it seems clear that the Sarah mentioned in the 1911 census return was the one who married Hyman in Sheffield in 1895, her maiden name was Lapatnick and she was the mother of Minnie.

Hi Diane Major - I checked the births index for Minnie, and her mother's maiden name is given as Lapatnick. In the marriages index there is an entry for a Markel Lapatnick who married a Sarah Lapatnick in Sheffield in 1895. In 1911, Hyman and Sarah had been married for 16 years according to what is written on the census form for that year, and the form is signed in the name of Hyman M. Lapatnick. So from this it seems that "Markel" was Hyman Markel Lapatnick who married Sarah Lapatnick, perhaps a cousin. Anyway here is a screenprint of Minnie's birth entry.

Hi carosio - yes, I well remember the "Brick Hollow". I also used to play there with my cousins who lived on Robert Street. Here is a link to a large-scale early-1900s  "overlay" map of the area - click and drag the blue dot to the left for a modern aerial view. The four houses on Parkin Street can also be seen on the map.

https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=17&lat=53.39538&lon=-1.49263&layers=168&b=1

8 minutes ago, AKAMD said:

... Thank you hillsbro, I rest my case!

Yes - I actually remember Elizabeth Street from when I was a temporary postman in the 1960s. To judge from old directories, Elizabeth Street must have been demolished around 1969.

Elizabeth Street was a short cul-de-sac off Creswick Street in the Langsett Road area. Here is a map.

Hi Diane Major - welcome to the Forum! As it happens I was just researching  migration records and found Dora, Leah, Minnie and Abraham. Here is what I found for Minnie, who evidently sailed on the American Line steamer SS Haverford in 1920.

Hi sadbrewer - it's interesting to see the article from the "Sheffield Daily Independent" of 1923. I have downloaded the rest of the article from the British Newspaper Archive and will work on it with Photoshop. I found this  shorter one in the "Dundee Evening Telegraph" of 4 September 1923.I also wondered about the name Lapatnick being an adaptation of a Russian surname. The common Jewish forename Hyman is itself from the Russian  "Хаим" or "Chaim". Also, the Russian ending -ник or -nik  often refers to a person's characteristics or profession (cf. "refusenik" etc.) and in Russian word "лопáтник" (pronounced "lapatnik") means someone who makes or deals in spades or shovels - from the word "лопáта" meaning "shovel". Perhaps this was the profession of the original Lapatnicks?

12 minutes ago, sadbrewer said:

Hillsbro....could I ask what you are using to post the pics?.... as my photobucket account doesn't seem to work anymore, and I've turned up a good piece I'd like to post.

I also used Photobucket until they began to charge a subscription! Nowadays I use Postimage -  https://postimages.org/     There is also ImgBB - https://imgbb.com/

That’s very interesting, sadbrewer. Many older Sheffield people will remember Aaron Michael Patnick (father of Irvine, Philip and Edward) who had the junk shop on Langsett Road. Here is his family’s page from the 1911 census. I remember Irvine saying that the family surname was originally Lapatnick, and they were presumably related to the other Lapatnicks. However - just to confuse matters further regarding the spelling of the surname - Aaron Michael Patnick was born on 21 October 1897, and in the G.R.O. birth record (extract inset) his surname is given as LAPATNIC! The “La-“ prefix was evidently abandoned soon afterwards, because when Harry and Esther’s next child, Israel, was born in 1899 his surname was registered as Patnick.

1 hour ago, trastrick said:

I think  they were called "bottlies" because I believe they originated as some kind of bottle stoppers on some old bottles.  But that was even before my time!

Yes - they were for Codd-neck bottles.

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codd-neck_bottle

It was before my time as well. Honest it was ...🙂

18 hours ago, retep said:

Dora was Hyman's daughter, Hyman Michael is down as born in Janisik in the county of Kowner Guberne and is the son of Nathan and Ada Lapatnick both subjects of Russia.

Hymans family 1907

Aron-11

Ada-9

Dora-7

Lea-5

Mina-1

it does say "and" so presume there was another

The "and..." child would be Abraham Lapatnick, born in Sheffield in 1909. Here is the family's page from the 1911 census.

1 hour ago, echo beach said:

Afraid it's also a foreign language to me and I go back a lot  further than Runningman...

I know how you feel, echo beach, I can't remember any of it either. Are we losing our marbles? 🤨

17 hours ago, HisOnlyStar said:

 ...  Hetty Patnick was my paternal grandmother. She was married to David Lapp and they lived halfway up Gleadless Road...

In case it is of interest, here is the Lapps' 1911 census page. The "1939 Register" finds David and Hetty Lapp at 751 Gleadless Road as you wrote. David, born 14 March 1910,  is described as a joiner, and Hetty, born 13 December 1911. They had evidently married four years earlier.

Here is an article from the 'Sheffield Daily Independent' of 23 December 1923 about Nathan Lapatnick who was then (apparently) aged 111. The GRO deaths index records his death the following year aged 110 (although in 1911 he was apparently 81 🙂).

If I had to bathe my head in vinegar every day I don't think I'd want to live to a ripe old age...

2 hours ago, HisOnlyStar said:

... Because it's not the same family. I'm serious. I am an ancestor of the Sheffield Patnick family and they are not the same people ...

I think you mean you are a descendant. Looking again at the 1911 census, there is another Lapatnick family - see copy below of the census page - comprising Nathan Lapatnick, his wife and son. These are presumably ancestors of the OP, "lennylap". But they were evidently related to Hyman M. Lapatnick, as the handwriting matches that on the form headed by Hyman, and this form is signed by Aaron Lapatnick, Hyman’s son. Perhaps he could write English better than the three people on the form. Curious!

On 29/12/2020 at 22:20, RiffRaff said:

Out of interest, has anybody ever found lost friend, associate or relative by using this forum? ...

I'm sure this has happened on a number of occasions. Here is one old thread I remember that had a happy ending:

https://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/topic/145326-looking-for-my-roots/?tab=comments#comment-2621019

White's Directory for 1879 shows Henry Sampson as a "bookbinders' tool cutter":

Here is a link to a report of the inquest that TedW referred to, in the 'Sheffield Daily Telegraph' of 21 November 1911:

https://i.postimg.cc/j5RgZRrk/SDT-21-11-11.jpg

Poor Henry had evidently begun to suffer from "senile decay" (= dementia).

10 hours ago, Brooker11 said:

My mother used to say of big headed people - He's got an 'ead as big as a sett pot, never heard this anywhere else or know what a set pot is lol

It was another name for the "copper" for heating water that was often set in brickwork in the corner of a room, as here:

    https://www.1900s.org.uk/copper-water-heater.htm

"Behave, or you'll get what Mary got".

    I never did find out what Mary got - fortunately, perhaps ... 🤨

On 15/12/2020 at 12:51, Cycleracer said:

We can always rely on Hillsbro for historic solutions 

The fact is that, at 72, I can remember a lot of it ... 🤨 🙂

1 hour ago, Jim117 said:

... What an interesting bit of history, thanks Hillsbro.

You're welcome, Jim117.  Here is a link to a thread on the "sheffieldhistory" website about the West Street arch.

https://www.sheffieldhistory.co.uk/forums/topic/18405-west-street-arch-in-sheffield-city-centre-can-you-tell-us-exactly-where-this-was/

I also downloaded a photo from the "picturesheffield" website.