hockers666 Â Â 10 #25 Posted October 10, 2009 NEW WORLD ORDER just around the corner one government,one army,one set of laws, according to some on SF thats ok, not for me we are told what to do already by some pipe smoking idiots in brussels . we can,t have curved cucumber ,we can,t sell our goods in pounds now kilos ,where will it end being told what to do by zee germans?(who started and lost two world wars its bad enough keeping their queen and her greek husband )xxx Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Wildcat   10 #26 Posted October 11, 2009 (edited) Here's what they thought of it, http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/election/712  ......  Why do you think I would care what the John Birch society would say? They don't represent US opinion the way you present them as doing. They represent an extreme right wing group, that opposed and oppose the civil rights movement and advocate the US leaving the UN.  They are even included here in a listing of hate groups that advocate or adhere to extreme antigovernment doctrines. http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?aid=1024  Their views on the EU are not really of much interest and certainly aren't representative of US opinion the way you have presented them to be. Edited October 11, 2009 by Wildcat Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
retep   68 #27 Posted October 11, 2009 Why do you think I would care what the John Birch society would say? They don't represent US opinion the way you present them as doing. They represent an extreme right wing group, that opposed and oppose the civil rights movement and advocate the US leaving the UN. They are even included here in a listing of hate groups that advocate or adhere to extreme antigovernment doctrines. http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?aid=1024  Their views on the EU are not really of much interest and certainly aren't representative of US opinion the way you have presented them to be.  Why would you think I would care about what you think, youre a loon, look in the mirror if you don't believe me.  Do a bit more googling I'm sure you'll come up with something a little less right wing that says the same as the John Birch society,  And from your link to the sphincter. org list "Listing here does not imply that the groups themselves advocate or engage in violence or other criminal activities, or are racist. "  Sort of pees on your theory of hate group list.  Now if you want a link to violent trouble makers look no further, try this one, http://www.uaf.org.uk/aboutUAF.asp?choice=1 They even attack the police.  "At one point, earlier on, when it became extremely tense, members of the UAF tried to break the police line between the two groups, which in turn angered the EDL members" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
wednesday1   10 #28 Posted October 11, 2009 (edited) Why would you think I would care about what you think, youre a loon, look in the mirror if you don't believe me. Do a bit more googling I'm sure you'll come up with something a little less right wing that says the same as the John Birch society,  And from your link to the sphincter. org list "Listing here does not imply that the groups themselves advocate or engage in violence or other criminal activities, or are racist. "  Sort of pees on your theory of hate group list.  Now if you want a link to violent trouble makers look no further, try this one, http://www.uaf.org.uk/aboutUAF.asp?choice=1 They even attack the police.   "At one point, earlier on, when it became extremely tense, members of the UAF tried to break the police line between the two groups, which in turn angered the EDL members"  Retep you are deranged. Providng links to the John Birch society and trying to claim that their views are in some way representative of mainstream opinion, is rather like a Yank claiming that the views of the neo nazi BNP are representative of mainstream British opinion. and I'm afraid to say if anyone's a loon then you without a shadow of doubt are it! Edited October 11, 2009 by wednesday1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
retep   68 #29 Posted October 11, 2009 Retep you are deranged. Providng links to the John Birch society and trying to claim that their views are in some way representative of mainstream opinion, is rather like a Yank claiming that the views of the neo nazi BNP are representative of mainstream British opinion. and I'm afraid to say if anyone's a loon then you without a shadow of doubt are it!    Looks like i've hooked another one, the loons are coming thick and fast, I'll chuck this one back it's not quite developed, still in the egg stage. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Wildcat   10 #30 Posted October 11, 2009 Why would you think I would care about what you think, youre a loon, look in the mirror if you don't believe me. Do a bit more googling I'm sure you'll come up with something a little less right wing that says the same as the John Birch society,  And from your link to the sphincter. org list "Listing here does not imply that the groups themselves advocate or engage in violence or other criminal activities, or are racist. "  Sort of pees on your theory of hate group list.  Now if you want a link to violent trouble makers look no further, try this one, http://www.uaf.org.uk/aboutUAF.asp?choice=1 They even attack the police.  "At one point, earlier on, when it became extremely tense, members of the UAF tried to break the police line between the two groups, which in turn angered the EDL members"  So to back up your claims that the John Birch society's views on the EU is representative of US opinion, you are asking me to use google  And to distract from being caught out misleading along with a load of insults you bring in UAF to try to distract from the issue.  Priceless. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
retep   68 #31 Posted October 11, 2009 So to back up your claims that the John Birch society's views on the EU is representative of US opinion, you are asking me to use google  And to distract from being caught out misleading along with a load of insults you bring in UAF to try to distract from the issue.  Priceless.  I've made no claims about the John Birch society, but you have, I just put it as a example of what the US think, I'm sure with your googling skills you can find alternatives that state the same. The UAF need no effort they are an insult in themselves.  Can you point out where i was misleading, or are you just chucking that in to mislead. I can see how you describe your effort as priceless you do seem absurd. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Wildcat   10 #32 Posted October 11, 2009 (edited) I've made no claims about the John Birch society, but you have,  In the context you put them forward as representative of US opinion.  I just put it as a example of what the US think,  It isn't however an example of what the US thinks. It is an example of what one small section of right wing loonies in the US thinks.  I'm sure with your googling skills you can find alternatives that state the same.  Why would I want to? If I can find the KKK saying the same thing it wouldn't make any difference to my point.  The UAF need no effort they are an insult in themselves.  Back to the irrelevant distraction, you can't help but bring it up when ever you are lsoing a debate can you? You think they make your beloved BNP look good. They don't. The BNP look bad themselves.  The BNP leadership blaming Zionists (read Jews) for EDL: http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/blog/article/520/BNP-blame-Zionists-for-EDL  Their representatives friends supporting terrorist groups like C-18: http://www.hurryupharry.org/2009/10/06/choose-your-friends-wisely/  Or their legal advisor referencing the Hitler society and holocaust denial websites along with his own peculiar lunacy?: http://www.hurryupharry.org/2009/10/03/where-does-lee-barnes-get-his-information-from/  All make them look pretty stupid themselves which is why their vote is in decline: http://lancasteruaf.blogspot.com/2009/10/bnps-three-long-months-and-counting-of.html  Can you point out where i was misleading, or are you just chucking that in to mislead. I can see how you describe your effort as priceless you do seem absurd.  This is the sequence of events. I said this:  I can't see any real problem with a united States of Europe. Indeed it has a lot going for it. It hasn't done our former colony the other side of the Atlantic much harm.  Which you responded to with this:  Here's what they thought of it, http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/election/712  "They" in context can only be taken to mean the US people.  You were therefore being misleading substituting the views of an exteme right wing organisation that thinks the US should leave the UN, with US public opinion. Edited October 11, 2009 by Wildcat Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
retep   68 #33 Posted October 11, 2009 In the context you put them forward as representative of US opinion.   If that is what you think you need to do some more grammar studying.    No.    Back to the irrelevant distraction, you can't help but bring it up when ever you are lsoing a debate can you because you think they make your beloved BNP look good.  They don't. The BNP look bad themselves.  The BNP leadership blaming Zionists (read Jews) for EDL: http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/blog/article/520/BNP-blame-Zionists-for-EDL  Their representatives friends supporting terrorist groups like C-18: http://www.hurryupharry.org/2009/10/06/choose-your-friends-wisely/  Or their legal advisor referencing the Hitler society and holocaust denial websites along with his own peculiar lunacy?: http://www.hurryupharry.org/2009/10/03/where-does-lee-barnes-get-his-information-from/  All make them look pretty stupid themselves which is why their vote is in decline: http://lancasteruaf.blogspot.com/2009/10/bnps-three-long-months-and-counting-of.html    This is the sequence of events. I said this:    Which you responded to with this:    "They" in context can only be taken to mean the US people.  You were therefore being misleading substituting the views of an exteme right wing organisation that thinks the US should leave the UN, with US public opinion.  No need to try and cover your cr ap with numerous googles just admit you were wrong. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Wildcat   10 #34 Posted October 11, 2009 No need to try and cover your cr ap with numerous googles just admit you were wrong.  Denial. Is that a tactic you have learnt from Nick Griffin? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
retep   68 #35 Posted October 11, 2009 Denial. Is that a tactic you have learnt from Nick Griffin?  Here you go try a denounce this one, http://www.heritage.org/Research/Europe/hl983.cfm  Unlike you I have no political party to follow, nor do I advocate violence on the streets as you and your beloved UAF do. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Wildcat   10 #36 Posted October 11, 2009 Here you go try a denounce this one, http://www.heritage.org/Research/Europe/hl983.cfm  Unlike you I have no political party to follow, nor do I advocate violence on the streets as you and your beloved UAF do.  Despite the articles length and criticisms of the EU no where does it back up the claim you originally provided that the EU is a product of designed deception.  You are now moving the goal posts.  I have consistently said I don't support any party so you are now resorting to lieing about me, along with compounding your attack on UAF with an unsubstantiated statement. Perhaps you can provide a link to a representative of UAF advocating violence? Except you can't otherwise you will have done so before. Instead you will no doubt respond with some examples of crowd behaviour at a UAF demo, very good but it doesn't actually substantiate what you have said. Nor does it justify you sidetracking the debate because I have pointed out you are misrepresenting your sources to make an illegitimate point. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...