vincentb Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Just over a year before they decided to kill deer the RSPB senior manager told a meeting of conservationists and environmentalists that they were having to put cows and sheep on the moors because there were nowhere near enough deer to manage the vegetation the way they wanted. Now they are killing a large number while continuing to graze with cows. You do know that cattle and deer aren't interchangeable? Example 1: they feed in different ways - cattle will only graze (eat plants on the ground) while deer will also browse, eating foliage and bark off trees. Example 2: space needed. Domestic cattle are OK with being kept in relatively confined areas, but wild deer need to roam over wider areas. So it might well be true that the number of deer, because of the way they feed, isn't enough to manage the vegetation in the desired way - while at the same time the number of deer, because of their other behaviours, is too much for the area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackbeard Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 And we worry about cows and deer in the wild. http://abcnews.go.com/US/photo-captures-huge-alligator-roaming-florida-golf/story?id=29558822 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geared Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 You could try here http://www.roundgreenfarm.co.uk/ Fresh venison is not recommended, it needs hanging. http://www.coolgameuk.com/catalogue/hanging_deer.php Thanks Blackbeard! I think I will try a local supermarket after all. . . You should visit Round Green farm, their meat is really good. The Wild Boar sausages are pretty damn good as well ---------- Post added 13-03-2015 at 10:17 ---------- You do know that cattle and deer aren't interchangeable? Example 1: they feed in different ways - cattle will only graze (eat plants on the ground) while deer will also browse, eating foliage and bark off trees. Example 2: space needed. Domestic cattle are OK with being kept in relatively confined areas, but wild deer need to roam over wider areas. Domestic cattle and sheep are also pretty stupid, quite lethargic, calm and tame. Except obviously for rams & bulls, during season. It makes them quite easy to integrate to Joe public out for a ramble around the moors. Neither present much real danger to the other party, and on the whole both will occupy the same area without much bother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nagel Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 How about introducing a few Lynx on Blacka Moor as has been proposed for 4 other areas of the UK? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackbeard Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 How about introducing a few Lynx on Blacka Moor as has been proposed for 4 other areas of the UK? Beat you to it last night I also think a few wolves would help. http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10932079&postcount=28 ---------- Post added 13-03-2015 at 10:56 ---------- Yes, wasn't a manager at Saab killed after his vehicle collided with an elk several years ago? Your comment about the guy from Saab brought back some memories of the 1997 Mercedes A-Class failing the "Elk/Moose Test" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moose_test Or on video Just the first bit, the original video seems to have gone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walkley0 Mum Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 (edited) Hello. Yes, I'm a member of Friends of Blackamoor and we have been enjoying the experience of having wild red deer on Blacka for about 12 years now. They are really beautiful creatures and the hinds have a wonderful relationship with their young which can continue for 2 years. When they are 'culled' the practice is to shoot the young first and then the mother hinds. http://theblackamoorsite.blogspot.co.uk/ And are you a member of The British Association of Shooting and Conversation? or- The Game and Wildlife Conservation Trust National Organisation of Beaters and Pickers up The Game Farmers Association The National Gamekeepers Association The Countryside Alliance The Country Land and Business Association Or, putting it another way, do you like taking pop shots at game on the Moor? Edited March 13, 2015 by Walkley0 Mum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 And are you a member of The British Association of Shooting and Conversation? or- The Game and Wildlife Conservation Trust National Organisation of Beaters and Pickers up The Game Farmers Association The National Gamekeepers Association The Countryside Alliance The Country Land and Business Association Or, putting it another way, do you like taking pop shots at game on the Moor? It seems unlikely given the nature of his/her posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katkin Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 There are a couple of ways to solve the problem and one was covered on the BBC news website yesterday http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-31813207 Bring back the lynx and the other solution would be to reintroduce the wolf, we would probably not need to cull then they would do the job for us. I have been lucky enough to have seen the lynx in the wild and it is a magnificent creature. watched a very interesting documentary about the Eurasian Lynx recently - they have to provide plenty of rabbits for them to eat in the early stages until they get extablished and had to build tunnels under roads because the cats werent particularly road-savvy. Would love to see one though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spurtle Posted March 13, 2015 Author Share Posted March 13, 2015 And are you a member of The British Association of Shooting and Conversation? or- The Game and Wildlife Conservation Trust National Organisation of Beaters and Pickers up The Game Farmers Association The National Gamekeepers Association The Countryside Alliance The Country Land and Business Association Or, putting it another way, do you like taking pop shots at game on the Moor? Absolutely not. There should be more wildlife and less shooting. ---------- Post added 13-03-2015 at 13:40 ---------- watched a very interesting documentary about the Eurasian Lynx recently - they have to provide plenty of rabbits for them to eat in the early stages until they get extablished and had to build tunnels under roads because the cats werent particularly road-savvy. Would love to see one though We need better wildlife-friendly national parks. Bringing back some native wildlife that has been persecuted to local extinction in the past would be a start. It would be something to hand down to our grandchildren. The local conservation people just needs a bit of ambition. The Lynx could help to move deer around which would be a good thing. They are beautiful animals but they should be always alert for danger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Songthrush Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Red deer have no natural predator in Britain so regular culling to control numbers does occur. I'd guess the rspb are involved due to their responsibility to protecting rare species of ground nesting birds right at the time their pairing and breeding is occurring and they're at their most vulnerable. It will hopefully help a little toward the protection of their habitat and lessen the chances of having their nests trampled slightly. And yes venison is excellent, but deer..... ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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