TJC1 Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 Your thoughts on being offered full time positions. Don't get me wrong it's nice to be recognised and I'm grateful, I really am.... But my biggest problem with signing a contract is I always get the impression most (not all) companies want to 'own' you. As in they pay you, therefore they feel justified to ask you to do anything within a salaried position, even if it means working late or at weekends or whatever. I know the official line is 9-5 etc. but really that's not the case and you are expected to 'tow the line' within a company. For an enterprising minded person in digital marketing and with a lot of people within the digital sector also having to do projects on the side, this is restrictive as you really never have any free time. Before people start jumping on the bandwagon, This is not about working hard or lack of work ethic here! it's not as if you get paid more for overtime, share in the profits of your labour or even get paid great salaries to begin with (not in the UK). It just seems like a raw deal to me....looking at the bigger picture. Anyone any thoughts on working for other people? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aliparpar Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 If it's between this and that, choose which one you would like. If you enjoy your independent projects (and they earn you £££) and you think with this job you will not have any time to yourself; then don't take it. But if you see that you want the job and it pays you but you would also like to have your projects then you have to make a choice between one of them. This is more about your abundance mentality which makes you think there are lots of jobs out there and you can find one if you start searching. If you believe so then try to find a better job. Otherwise, sign the contract and get rid of the additional work you do on your own for others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveroberts Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 Your thoughts on being offered full time positions. Don't get me wrong it's nice to be recognised and I'm grateful, I really am.... But my biggest problem with signing a contract is I always get the impression most (not all) companies want to 'own' you. As in they pay you, therefore they feel justified to ask you to do anything within a salaried position, even if it means working late or at weekends or whatever. I know the official line is 9-5 etc. but really that's not the case and you are expected to 'tow the line' within a company. Remember most people would jump at the chance of having a job which sounds like guaranteed employment with overtime available...especially in the digital world where there is an oversupply of labour. For an enterprising minded person in digital marketing and with a lot of people within the digital sector also having to do projects on the side, this is restrictive as you really never have any free time. Before people start jumping on the bandwagon, This is not about working hard or lack of work ethic here! it's not as if you get paid more for overtime, share in the profits of your labour or even get paid great salaries to begin with (not in the UK). It just seems like a raw deal to me....looking at the bigger picture. Anyone any thoughts on working for other people? Assume you set up your own business, employ someone called TJC2 and, in their own time, they were doing work which competed with your own business...how would you fell about that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indizine Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 Well i'd sack you as you'd be breaching the non-complete contract i'd have in place! Most decent employers have this. If they don't their likely to not have many things in place that they should do. That would then worry me as a potential employee! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
epiphany Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 Anyone any thoughts on working for other people? Yes. I would much rather own the full fruits of my labour than rent myself out as an ancillary tool, to be handed mere crumbs from the capital my labour helps to produce and grow. But that is a very cynical way of looking at it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shogun Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 I know how you feel I have been self employed for years and sometimes I do a bit of HGV driving I hate it but when my self employed things are not happening I have to do it its like my fall back thing and it always seems to make a bit of money,but the hours are long and I feel trapped and have no time for my self so I rarely stick at at it for long,I have been offered a full time job recently and I have to go and have a talk with them tomorrow its good money and it is work I have done before but I just cant make my mind up to go I just feel my freedom will be gone for a few months I am going to have to do something though as there is not much happening on the self employed front after Christmas needs must as they say Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJC1 Posted January 7, 2013 Author Share Posted January 7, 2013 Remember most people would jump at the chance of having a job which sounds like guaranteed employment with overtime available...especially in the digital world where there is an oversupply of labour. Assume you set up your own business, employ someone called TJC2 and, in their own time, they were doing work which competed with your own business...how would you fell about that? You're forgetting some of the best employers in the digital sector allow employees to run their own projects - it's called knowledge transfer. They know it makes Business sense. Ever heard of Google? ---------- Post added 07-01-2013 at 10:22 ---------- Well i'd sack you as you'd be breaching the non-complete contract i'd have in place! Most decent employers have this. If they don't their likely to not have many things in place that they should do. That would then worry me as a potential employee! The most successful and most progressive employers in the digital sector often let employees runs their own projects. To my mind it's only one man bands that see this as a threat. But I don't see why one-man-band type digital Businesses or 5-10 employee types couldn't implement this strategy successfully also. Think about it. If you are an employer and you allow it to happen within company time you get access to all the latest projects, ideas etc. before they take off, employees come to you first (if they like you / you support them). On the other hand, If you were to tell most enterprising individuals what they can and can't do with the spare time guess what will happen? that's right they go behind your back and do it anyway. Or leave your company and work with people who support them. You may have just lost out on an amazing Business opportunity, all because you were too precious about your Business and market share. ---------- Post added 07-01-2013 at 10:34 ---------- Remember most people would jump at the chance of having a job which sounds like guaranteed employment with overtime available...especially in the digital world where there is an oversupply of labour. There's an over supply of labour globally. True. But there is a genuine under supply of good people in the digital sector. You only have to start outsourcing jobs to find out how many poor specialists there are. If you don't believe me start asking around small Business owners, almost all of them have a bad story to tell before they found a good un. And it's not always cowboys either! there's bad performers in bigger agencies too. ---------- Post added 07-01-2013 at 10:45 ---------- Yes. I would much rather own the full fruits of my labour than rent myself out as an ancillary tool, to be handed mere crumbs from the capital my labour helps to produce and grow. But that is a very cynical way of looking at it I don't know man. There are some good employers out there, don't get me wrong I ain't knocking them. But you can't halt true innovation and enterprise, the cream always rises to the top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indizine Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 You're forgetting some of the best employers in the digital sector allow employees to run their own projects - it's called knowledge transfer. They know it makes Business sense. Ever heard of Google? Not sure what the 'ever heard of google' question was about. And no, i'm afraid it does not always make business sense to let an employee compete against you doing the same thing. Yes of course there are a few employers let employees do their own business......but in a competing industry? Even fewer. That';s your job to then find one that allows this and that you have no restrictions in the contract they issue you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJC1 Posted January 7, 2013 Author Share Posted January 7, 2013 You're forgetting some of the best employers in the digital sector allow employees to run their own projects - it's called knowledge transfer. They know it makes Business sense. Ever heard of Google? Not sure what the 'ever heard of google' question was about. And no, i'm afraid it does not always make business sense to let an employee compete against you doing the same thing. Yes of course there are a few employers let employees do their own business......but in a competing industry? Even fewer. That';s your job to then find one that allows this and that you have no restrictions in the contract they issue you. Google allow employees to have a certain amount of time p/month to work on projects / personal development. Called 20% time. They grow because they innovate. Sorry, but I totally disagree with what you are saying. Although I understand what you're getting at. I didn't say 'competing against you'. But this is a common misconception anyway. The internet is growing 30% year on year. There is always a new angle on a service, a new service and new customers. It just doesn't stand still. Even 'competing' industries as you put it are more likely to be 'add on' or complementing services when you think about it. For example, Web design doesn't exist in a bubble does it? theres always new updates, always new platforms, always better ways of doing things, unless you think you can do everything under the sun brilliantly as an individual and grow this way, in which case you would be the exception rather than the rule. Competitors can be in fact potential partners. Internet and affiliate marketers have known this for years, the best way to increase market share is to joint venture. Digital industries are different in this way to other industries like manufacturing. It's an ever and rapidly expanding market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez2 Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 You're forgetting some of the best employers in the digital sector allow employees to run their own projects - it's called knowledge transfer. They know it makes Business sense. Ever heard of Google? Not sure what the 'ever heard of google' question was about. And no, i'm afraid it does not always make business sense to let an employee compete against you doing the same thing. Yes of course there are a few employers let employees do their own business......but in a competing industry? Even fewer. That';s your job to then find one that allows this and that you have no restrictions in the contract they issue you. I agree. I wouldn't want to pay someone to compete with me, to pay them to run their own business while they should be working for me. Most jobs I have had have clauses in the contract specifically preventing you from doing any work in a similar field at the same time, many have even tried to prevent you doing the same job after you leave! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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