kidley Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 Hi Daveoxo what are your mum and dads first names. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daveoxo Posted May 23, 2020 Author Share Posted May 23, 2020 Hi, I am still stuck, I have been on Ancestry trying to research, and drawing blanks (please see questions at bottom) Summarised Background info i have Albert Freeman DOB on 1939 register 09.03.1884 (on 1939 register says Freeman but Ancestry result returns incorrectly Fallman) 1939 register Lived at 50 Boyton Street Kelly’s Directories Lived at 50 Boyton Street 1922-1942 Deceased assuming 50 Boyton Street, April 1942 Mabel Freeman (Married Hurt in 1947) DOB on 1939 register 10.06.1894 (again on 1939 register says Freeman but Ancestry result returns incorrectly Fallman) 1939 register Lived at 50 Boyton Street Kelly’s Directories Lived at 110 Spencer Road 1971-1973 Deceased at 110 Spencer Road, July 1975 Victor Freeman DOB on 1939 register 11.01.1922 (again on 1939 register says Freeman but Ancestry result returns incorrectly Fallman) 1939 register Lived at 50 Boyton Street Deceased address unknown 06.03.2009 My Mother Doris Freeman (Married Oxley in 1947) DOB on 1939 register 26.12.1927 should be 1928 (again on 1939 register says Freeman but Ancestry result returns incorrectly Fallman) 1939 register Lived at 50 Boyton Street Lived at 110 Spencer Road according to wedding cert 21.06.1947, then moved to 99 Carrfield Road once married Deceased 09.10.2000 address is known Questions: Albert Freeman – Addresses needed before 1922, when and or if he was married to Mabel Freeman, as the 1939 register infers they were married Mabel Freeman – Date married as above, as the 1939 register infers they were married, addresses up to 1947 when she married Hurt 2nd husband, what is Mabel’s birth / maiden name and place of birth Victor Freeman – Any other information as little is known other than what is on the 1939 register and the death index Doris Freeman – When did she move from 50 Boyton Street to 110 Spencer Road, maybe linked to her mother Mabel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rivelin6 Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 (edited) I have a theory, not that I've tested it out robustly yet. If you look down the 1939 register page down to the bottom there is a Charles A Hurt, thought at first it said Hunt but I traced a Charles A Hurt back to being born in 1885. He had a sister of the right age called Martha Hurt. They were in St Silas's parish in 1911. Could Mabel be a pet name for Martha? Also why was the surmame crossed out and Hurt installed before she married Herbert almost 10 years later!Can't find a link between two Hurt families but could have been a distant cousin. Smith may have been put in for kids names as Mabel/Martha and Albert weren't actually married? Or was she registered at birth as Hart not Hurt? Still can't find a marriage to Freeman though !!! Death index says birth was 10 June 1893 whereas 1939 census as 1894! Name: Mabel Hart Registration Year: 1893 Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun Registration district: Sheffield Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding Volume: 9c Page: 605 Edited May 29, 2020 by Rivelin6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hillsbro Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 (edited) Well, Rivelin6, it's an interesting theory - Hurt or Hart! I wonder how we could check it out. For surnames from later marriages to be included in the 1939 Register entries isn't actually unusual - these surnames were added, often in green ink (the same applies, for example, to my aunt Joyce Whittles, later Ridgard, who was married in 1952). Sometimes the actual date of the marriage was included, as in this case 6.12.47. But as Albert and Mabel do not seem to have been married in 1939, there may well be an explanation of this kind. Curious! Edited May 29, 2020 by hillsbro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rivelin6 Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 Are we actually looking at the right Doris? as there was one with mother's maiden name Proctor born in 1922 with a sister called Irene? Just noticed date of birth in an earlier post. Spent all day on this so my advice would be get the marriage certificate from 1947 to Herbert Hurt and check if it has the former maiden names on there as she could have been married a few times or get your Mum's birth certificate and see if any more details on there. Hi Hillsbro, I think the Mabel Hart born in 1893 died 1899 but not been able to progress other theory any further yet. 😔 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rivelin6 Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 (edited) Right, had another look at it this am and Elsie seems to have been born to a John and Florence Freeman nee Hobson. John was born 1899. The families seem to be related because their other daughter Florence married a Herbert Rodgers in 1949. It shows this also in the 1939 register. This John Freeman lived with some Oxleys in 1911 census. Rose Harriet Freeman, John's Mum seems to have had him and his brother Charles out of wedlock then marries John Oxley in 1904. Edited May 30, 2020 by Rivelin6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hillsbro Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 (edited) Well done, Rivelin6! It's interesting to find an Oxley connection in 1911. Here is a link to the 1911 census data. https://i.postimg.cc/NG3vrLqv/1911-Freeman-2.jpg Edited May 30, 2020 by hillsbro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retep Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 1 hour ago, hillsbro said: Well done, Rivelin6! It's interesting to find an Oxley connection in 1911. Here is a link to the 1911 census data. https://i.postimg.cc/XJGZvXFD/1911-Freeman.jpg A marriage, Sheffield Indexers, OXLEY, John (Bachelor, age 31, Hawker, residing at Court 12 House 5 Arundel Street). Married Rose Harriet FREEMAN, on June 5, 1904, by Arthur T Prout (Banns) at St Simon, Sheffield. Father's name is William Oxley, deceased (Edge tool maker). Married in the presence of Arthur Banham, William Charles Cradle. Notes: ~. Page No: 236 Reg No: 472 FREEMAN, Rose Harriet (Spinster, age 30, ~, residing at Court 12 House 5 Arundel Street). Married John OXLEY, on June 5, 1904, by Arthur T Prout (Banns) at St Simon, Sheffield. Father's name is John Charles Freeman (Labourer). Married in the presence of Arthur Banham, William Charles Cradle. Notes: ~. Page No: 236 Reg No: 472 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rivelin6 Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 (edited) John appears as Oxley in 1901 census so I'm guessing the John Oxley is probably the father but can't be sure. Fredrick Butcher 38 Harriet Butcher 37 Annie Butcher 16 Sarah Butcher 12 Harriett Dunn 56 John Oxley 27 Rose Harriet Oxley 26 John Oxley Rose H Freeman is down as Rose H Freedom in 1881. She was only 8 and classed as a boarder? Also a boarder in 1991 census.1881 England Census for Rose H. Freedom 1 Edited May 30, 2020 by Rivelin6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daveoxo Posted May 31, 2020 Author Share Posted May 31, 2020 Hillsbro 1) Can you possibly have a look at Kellys directory for 92 Cherrytree Street, Hoyland Nether, Yorkshire (West Riding) i would like to try and find out which members of the "Hill family" were there, dates, from and to 2) On the 1939 resister it shows Elsie Hill (nee Freeman) & Married to John Hill, living at 92 Cherrytree Street, plus a closed record, I'm guessing its neither of of their children, Brenda was born Dec 1943 & John was born Dec 1952 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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