Sheffield's high-rise flats: when did the 'shame' begin?

[Miss Creant 10]

The flats were built to house the people when the slums were cleared

 

 

 

 

The people who moved into the flats when they were first built could remember how bad things were and appreciated their new homes. Once those people were gone and the next generation moved in they didn't appreciate what they had got. Because it wasn't what they wanted for themselves they treated everyone and everything with no respect.

 

They bleat on about poverty endlessly in this city. Look at the video and see what poverty really is.

 

Fantastic pictures is there somewhere that they can be seen with location annotations?

[chem1st 10]

Fantastic pictures is there somewhere that they can be seen with location annotations?

 

Basically where park hill is today.

 

To be honest that video doesn't show poverty. Some of them types of houses still stand and are now let out as HMOs.

 

It'd be nice if land was set aside for Sheffield people to build their own housing, rather than be forced to live in HMOs.

[phantom309 10]

What are you talking about. So nobody took drugs and nobody got mugged pre 1960? I dont think so.

 

There may have been a very small minority of people who dabbled in drugs but you never heard of any one being prosecuted for selling or dealing and there was definitely no muggings at all.

 

There was quite a few street traders who would have a tray with money on and people then respected other peoples property and even such things as on a bus or a tram if the conductor had not got round to a passenger they would leave their fare with another passenger asking them to give it to the conductor which they would do.

 

A street robbery was as rare as hens teeth back then and I lived in a slum district and the crime rate was very low all through the 50s and until I moved in 66 and every one used cash as there was no alternative then.

[phantom309 10]

Everybody was smacked off their tits, courtesy of their local chemist, 100 year or so years ago. Legally smacked of their tits. Pubs did a roaring trade, and there was Gin lane.

 

Pubs did do a lot better then and there was probably 3 to 4 times as many but there was a lot less drunken people about and it was unusual to see anyone who was lying in the street in a drunken stupor you just saw the odd person staggering home.

[stringfellow 10]

Pubs did do a lot better then and there was probably 3 to 4 times as many but there was a lot less drunken people about and it was unusual to see anyone who was lying in the street in a drunken stupor you just saw the odd person staggering home.

 

very true, I blame all day opening, back to the old pub times is what I say! noon till 3, then 5.30pm till 10.30pm and on sundays noon till 2pm, then 7pm till 10.30.

[phantom309 10]

Basically where park hill is today.

 

To be honest that video doesn't show poverty. Some of them types of houses still stand and are now let out as HMOs.

 

It'd be nice if land was set aside for Sheffield people to build their own housing, rather than be forced to live in HMOs.

 

There is far more opportunities today to have your own home than there was 50 or 60 years ago but you do have to make sacrifices and go without things which are not necessary to save as much as possible to get a deposit together.

The first few years will be hard but it is easier later on as your mortgage payments stay roughly the same where as rental property increases year on year.

This is still possible in todays world as my grandson got his first house last year after saving for two and half years ( with no help from other people ) but it is how much you want to provide for your own future which will decide which way you go.

[fake 10]

There is far more opportunities today to have your own home than there was 50 or 60 years ago but you do have to make sacrifices and go without things which are not necessary to save as much as possible to get a deposit together.

The first few years will be hard but it is easier later on as your mortgage payments stay roughly the same where as rental property increases year on year.

This is still possible in todays world as my grandson got his first house last year after saving for two and half years ( with no help from other people ) but it is how much you want to provide for your own future which will decide which way you go.

 

The problem with that is the economy is going downhill, unemployment set to rise for the foreseeable futures so is it worth having a very large debt for so many years. Mortgages take up a large part of any income and generally the benefits are only capitalised on when in retirement when the best time to spend money is when you are young and having fun.

 

Most of our parents managed to live ok and bring up families without tying themselves up with a large debt but then it was in social housing which governments and councils have done their best to erode.

 

More affordable social housing is needed as the young are poorly catered for and need somewhere to live now.

[chem1st 10]

There is far more opportunities today to have your own home than there was 50 or 60 years ago but you do have to make sacrifices and go without things which are not necessary to save as much as possible to get a deposit together.

The first few years will be hard but it is easier later on as your mortgage payments stay roughly the same where as rental property increases year on year.

This is still possible in todays world as my grandson got his first house last year after saving for two and half years ( with no help from other people ) but it is how much you want to provide for your own future which will decide which way you go.

 

That's bull mate.

 

Home ownership is falling.

 

50 to 60 years ago = 1952-1962

 

Council house building and private sector building was occurring, home ownership was at 30% and increasing.

 

In 1952, 200000 houses were built.

In 1962, 300000 houses were built.

House building peaked in 1968 when 413,700 new dwellings

were completed.

 

In 1968 owner occupation had risen to over 50%

 

House building fell off in the 70s and remained low throughout the 80s, 90s, 00s and still does today. Where only 150000 houses are being built.

Owner occupation is falling, and population growth exceeds house building.

[phantom309 10]

That's bull mate.

 

Home ownership is falling.

 

50 to 60 years ago = 1952-1962

 

Council house building and private sector building was occurring, home ownership was at 30% and increasing.

 

In 1952, 200000 houses were built.

In 1962, 300000 houses were built.

House building peaked in 1968 when 413,700 new dwellings

were completed.

 

In 1968 owner occupation had risen to over 50%

 

House building fell off in the 70s and remained low throughout the 80s, 90s, 00s and still does today. Where only 150000 houses are being built.

Owner occupation is falling, and population growth exceeds house building.

 

You may disagree but things are far better today than they were 50 to 60 years ago, today you do not have the overcrowding such as a family of 13 living in a two and two down house plus an attic and the benefits system was different you only got what you worked for no state help only family allowance and not for the first child.

There were no electric appliances washing was done in wash tubs,a boiler and a mangle to take as much water out as possible, no television or fridges but things have improved so much for the better in todays world and everything is for a easier and better life style.

[chem1st 10]

You may disagree but things are far better today than they were 50 to 60 years ago, today you do not have the overcrowding such as a family of 13 living in a two and two down house plus an attic and the benefits system was different you only got what you worked for no state help only family allowance and not for the first child.

There were no electric appliances washing was done in wash tubs,a boiler and a mangle to take as much water out as possible, no television or fridges but things have improved so much for the better in todays world and everything is for a easier and better life style.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0110b4f

 

Family of nine in a 3bed. Sheffield.

 

I know lots of people living in living rooms, on sofas etc.

 

Somethings might be better, don't get me wrong. But it ain't about washing machines and ipods. It's about physical housing space, privacy and the ability to start a family of your own.

 

The benefit system was more generous previously in terms of ppp, even as a share of gdp.

 

Adjusted for inflation, 1931 weekly dole after the cut from 18s to 15s3d would be equivalent of £220 a week today - that's what you get on min wage for working full time! Today dole is £56.25- £71.50 a week depending upon age.

 

Now the benefit system is extremely different.

 

Working people claim more than unemployed! And houses claim twice as much as employed people do!

 

Back then, they were building and improving the housing situation. Now it is getting worse, and nothing is being done. It will continue to get worse.

[Plain Talker 11]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0110b4f

 

Family of nine in a 3bed. Sheffield.

 

 

 

that story updates shortly after that programme was shown a couple of years ago, (It might be as old as four years)

 

Sheffield council has since reassessed the Gurnhills and given the three adult children priority status to get their own council flat.

 

Edit to say apologies:- just checked and it was a year ago that programme aired