redwhine Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 People need god. If he didn't exist, they would have to invent him. ...which is exactly what they have done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redwhine Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 If everybody followed the basic rules of god e.g Don't kill, don't steal, don't commit adultery ect, then the world would be better. If they don't, then..well. That's where we are now. Don't kill? How many did the (imaginary) great flood kill. And wiping out the cities of the plains (Sodom & Gomorah) took out a few more. Not to mention his own son (or was that suicide, cos they're supposed to be one and the same?). Don't steal? Define steal. Adultery? Didn't he impregnate Joseph's wife? (The whole premise of christianity is based on that!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redwhine Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 Given the lessons learned from history and the fact that the excesses perpetuated by some religious organisations have now been brought under control, can't we just stop the persecution and let each person believe what they want- the last thing we need is a movement of fundamentalist atheists imposing their views on those they consider to be deluded? Well said. So let's get the Lords Spiritual out of the House of Lords and stop all the tax breaks that religions get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redwhine Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 It could be argued that in bygone days that any form of belief could be seen as an atheist view, if that view didn't coincide with your own viewpoint. So in effect there were many "Atheist" societies, they just preached differently to a different God. Believing in God or not wasn't the problem..it was which God you preached to...or not as the case may be. Look up atheism in ANY dictionary. Massive, MASSIVE!, fail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onewheeldave Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 I really do wish we'd all just see that religion has good and bad parts and that people can believe if they wish. Spot on! Sometimes, the people arguing against religion are worse than the theists in their overbearing opinions. well... in the interests of diplomacy, I'll certainly agree that they are often 'as bad as..' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloomdido Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 ...which is exactly what they have done. I know and they still cling on to their belief with both hands because the concept of life without meaning or purpose would be too much for them to cope with. Better to believe in some kind of imaginary magic friend, however ridiculous, rather than accept that there is nothing out there (other than about 50 billion galaxies in the known universe) and nowhere to go to once we shuffle this mortal coil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donkey Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 Who's to say that Atheism isn't a damaging meme? How is a refusal to believe something which is illogical and for which there is no evidence a meme? If it is, then millions must be infected with a non belief in the tooth fairy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
six45ive Posted February 23, 2010 Author Share Posted February 23, 2010 (edited) I really do wish we'd all just see that religion has good and bad parts and that people can believe if they wish. Of course people can believe what they wish but isn't it better that your beliefs are true or at least have some evidence to back them up. Then we could stop all this endless arguing about it on the forums! You call it arguing, I call it debating. Sometimes, the people arguing against religion are worse than the theists in their overbearing opinions. That's a very subjective statement. How can simply telling the truth as clearly and concisely as possible be the same as having an overbearing opinion? We are never truly going to know whether God exists and as belief is a personal thing... we might as well just build a big computer, call it Deep Thought, and ask it the answers to life's eternal verities! Once again you're making sweeping subjective assertions about things that you simply cannot know. What evidence do you have that we will never know god exists? Have you got a crystal ball that tells you what advancements science will make in 500 or 5000 or 50000 years time? My own view is that our understanding of the way the world works through science and the way that human nature has evolved over millenia from studying social sciences such as psychology, history and politics means that there is already overwhelming evidence that a theistic god is nothing more than a Father Xmas for adults. Edited February 23, 2010 by six45ive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donkey Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 Sometimes, the people arguing against religion are worse than the theists in their overbearing opinions. ! Really. Atheists do worse things than torture and execute others in the name of atheism? They discriminate against - and in the worst incidents execute - those whose consensual sexual behaviour is banned by their (non) teachings? They routinely target educational institutions so they can indoctrinate children before they are old enough to come to informed decisions? I could go on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
six45ive Posted February 23, 2010 Author Share Posted February 23, 2010 (edited) How is a refusal to believe something which is illogical and for which there is no evidence a meme? If it is, then millions must be infected with a non belief in the tooth fairy. Just like genes where the unsuccessful ones die out, hence about 98% of all species that have ever lived have become extinct, some memes, such as a belief in the tooth fairy, become very rare or die out completely. The same applies to all religions whereby in the entirety of mans existence there have probably been millions of religions that have come and gone and only the few that survive are the successful religious memes. Others are extremely rare such as Janism whereas many probably died out thousands of years ago. Edited February 23, 2010 by six45ive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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