JohnnyMathis Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 I think this tie with Chelsea will take it out of Liverpool. Torres must be due another ankle injury bless him, and Gerrard is lost against a decent defence without Torres drawing centre halves out of position for him, so I can see them dropping points in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alankearn Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 man u were lucky on sunday where did they get 5mins ex time from I saw the ref point to his watch twice in the last half hour or so to warn Aston villa he was going to add on time because of timewasting. One of the warnings was for Milner doing a sleepwalk when he was substituted. Two timewasting warnings mean 1 minute for each plus the normal 2 to 4 minutes that are added on. Thats where the 5 minutes came from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFCMadPaul Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 Gerrard is lost against a decent defence without Torres drawing centre halves out of position for him Yeah cos Gerrard has never scored goals without Torres in the team, and he always looks lost against good defences doesn't he, really................. what a pathetic statement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyMathis Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 he always looks lost against good defences doesn't he He has done for as long as I can remember. I know it must hurt, but that's why he's only talked about in the second tier of world midfielders. There's a top tier of the last 10 or so years, including Davids, Scholes, Gattuso, Pirlo, Makalele, Vieira and others, and then there's the second group: Lampard, Gerrard, Hargreaves, Carrick, Xavi and similar. You have to remember, it wasn't so long ago that people wondered whether Gerrard should even be in the England team, so forgive me if I don't buy the hype we've been subjected to in the last 3 weeks or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stockers Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 Yeah cos Gerrard has never scored goals without Torres in the team, and he always looks lost against good defences doesn't he, really................. what a pathetic statement I think the fact Gerrard has never done it in an England shirt speaks volumes. He's a good PL player but not cut out for the international scene. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFCMadPaul Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 He has done for as long as I can remember. I know it must hurt, but that's why he's only talked about in the second tier of world midfielders. That's rubbish and you know it. Gerrard is spoke about as being one of the best, if not the best, players on the planet by nearly all football experts, ex-players, players and fans around the world. Zidane and Capello (better judges than you or me) to name just two: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/leagues/premierleague/liverpool/4984191/Liverpools-Steven-Gerrard-hailed-as-worlds-best-player-by-Zinedine-Zidane.html http://www.espnstar.com/football/other-football/news/detail/item232710/Capello:-Gerrard-one-of-world's-best/ The article above also goes some way to explain the reason why Gerrard may not have been as affective when playing for England as when he plays for Liverpool - Playing out of positiion! Gerrards own personal honours list also shows that he is rated by the world governing bodies, the P.F.A, fellow professionals etc also, as being up there with the very best of them: (Relevent honours highlighted) Individual * PFA Young Player of the Year: 2000–01[21] * UEFA Club Footballer of the Year: 2004–05 * UEFA Champions League Final Man of the Match: 2004–05 * FIFA Club World Championship Silver Ball: 2005 * PFA Players' Player of the Year: 2005–06[21] * FA Premier League Player of the Month: March 2001, March 2003, December 2004, April 2006, March 2009 * FA Cup Final Man of the Match: 2005–06 * FIFPro World XI: 2006–07, 2007–08 * UEFA Team of the Year: 2004–05, 2005–06, 2006–07 * PFA Team of the Year: 2000–01, 2003–04, 2004–05, 2005–06, 2006–07, 2007–08 Gerrard is also a leading candidate this year for World Player Of The Year. Also, saying Gerrard struggles against good defences is absolute nonsense, considering Gerrard has scored 20+ goals in each season for the past 4-5 years, not to mention the amount of assists he has racked up in this time. To say Steven Gerrard is rated in the 'second tier' of midfielders ha ha, well, shows your knowledge of football really, or should i say, lack of it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyMathis Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 That's rubbish and you know it. Gerrard is spoke about as being one of the best, if not the best, players on the planet by nearly all football experts, ex-players, players and fans around the world. Zidane and Capello (better judges than you or me) to name just two: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/leagues/premierleague/liverpool/4984191/Liverpools-Steven-Gerrard-hailed-as-worlds-best-player-by-Zinedine-Zidane.html http://www.espnstar.com/football/other-football/news/detail/item232710/Capello:-Gerrard-one-of-world's-best/ The article above also goes some way to explain the reason why Gerrard may not have been as affective when playing for England as when he plays for Liverpool - Playing out of positiion! Gerrards own personal honours list also shows that he is rated by the world governing bodies, the P.F.A, fellow professionals etc also, as being up there with the very best of them: (Relevent honours highlighted) Individual * PFA Young Player of the Year: 2000–01[21] * UEFA Club Footballer of the Year: 2004–05 * UEFA Champions League Final Man of the Match: 2004–05 * FIFA Club World Championship Silver Ball: 2005 * PFA Players' Player of the Year: 2005–06[21] * FA Premier League Player of the Month: March 2001, March 2003, December 2004, April 2006, March 2009 * FA Cup Final Man of the Match: 2005–06 * FIFPro World XI: 2006–07, 2007–08 * UEFA Team of the Year: 2004–05, 2005–06, 2006–07 * PFA Team of the Year: 2000–01, 2003–04, 2004–05, 2005–06, 2006–07, 2007–08 Gerrard is also a leading candidate this year for World Player Of The Year. Also, saying Gerrard struggles against good defences is absolute nonsense, considering Gerrard has scored 20+ goals in each season for the past 4-5 years, not to mention the amount of assists he has racked up in this time. To say Steven Gerrard is rated in the 'second tier' of midfielders ha ha, well, shows your knowledge of football really, or should i say, lack of it! We can all lob quotes up, it doesn't necessarily mean anything. At the end of the day, I don't think I'm alone in rating little Stevie as a second tier midfielder. Micah Richards : "He's always in the right position, always seems to be at the end of the box when the ball drops in. The complete midfielder - when he's fit, he's the best. Some go missing but he's in the right place at the right time. He's my favourite player of all-time, unbelievable. If you give him a chance it's a goal, isn't it?" Eidur Gudjohnsen : "I'm more an admirer of Paul Scholes than I am of Ronaldo. Ronaldo is a fantastic player, but he has 10 other great players around him every week...Scholes is one of the most complete footballers I've ever seen. His one-touch play is phenomenal. Whenever I have played against him, I never felt I could get close to him." Edgar Davids : ""Every one of us (midfielders) is just trying to become as good as him. Everyone can learn from Paul Scholes." Edgar Davids : "I'm not the best, Paul Scholes is." Tony Adams : "I really rate Paul Scholes, because he hasn't got the high profile of many of the Manchester United players, he doesn't get too much attention, but he is one very good player. He is an intelligent player, he works hard and he scores some great goals. He is not flamboyant and is a quiet lad off the pitch but he is a tremendous asset to Manchester United and to England. He has already got my vote as player of the year." Cesc Fabregas : "He is the one whose level I aspire to. He is the best player in the Premier League." Patrick Vieira : "The player in the Premiership I admire most? Easy - Scholes." Thierry Henry : "I can't understand why Scholes has never won the player of the year award. He should have won it long ago. Maybe it's because he doesn't seek the limelight like some of the other 'stars'." Zinedine Zidane : "My toughest opponent? Scholes of Manchester. He is the complete midfielder." Zinedine Zidane : "Scholes is undoubtedly the best midfielder of his generation." Marcello Lippi : "Paul Scholes would have been one of my first choices for putting together a great team - that goes to show how highly I have always rated him. Scholes is a player I have always liked, because he combines great talent and technical ability with mobility, determination and a superb shot. He is an all-round midfielder who possesses character and quality in abundance. In my opinion, he's been one of the most important players for United under Sir Alex." Laurent Blanc : "Scholes is the best English player. Intelligence, technique, strength... all the attributes are there. At Manchester United I saw what he could do on the training field. Phew!" "People say he is a great player, but you have to define what a great player is, For me, it is a player who has a bottom level that means his worst performance is not noticed.If he is having a bad game, a team-mate might feel Paul Scholes is not quite on his game, but a spectator wouldn't notice. Scholes, of all the players I have played with, has the highest bottom level. His reading of the game is unsurpassed.He has an eye for a pass, for what the play or the game needs at that precise moment, that I have never seen anyone else have. He controls and distributes the play and the game better than anyone I have ever seen" Schmeichel told BBC Sport. "You have a special chemistry with certain players," explains the Dutchman, "and with me, at Manchester United, it's with Wayne Rooney and Paul Scholes. Things just seem to click. What I like most about Paul, though, is that he is the epitome of a professional footballer, He comes to training, then goes home and spends his time with his family. He doesn't like all the hoo-ha outside the football, the interviews with papers and on TV. He prefers to just live his own life and he refuses to be a media object or a public figure. I have nothing but admiration for him." Van Nistelrooy told FourFourTwo “He has an awareness of what’s happening around him on the edge of the box which is better than most players. As a kid he always had a knack of arriving in the penalty area just at the right time, but he’s proving just as effective from outside the box because he’s using his experience in the right way. It doesn’t matter who I am thinking about bringing into my midfield, Paul Scholes will be included, as he would in any side in the world.” - Sir Alex Ferguson “If you ask footballers to pick out the player they most admire, so many of them will pick Paul Scholes. He can tackle, and his passing and shooting is of the highest level. He’s the most consistent and naturally gifted player we’ve had for a long, long time.” - Alan Shearer “England don’t have another player like him. He could have had a lot more caps if he had carried on. And if I was the manager he would have ended up with more than I did – easy." - Sir Bobby Charlton “Paul Scholes is just fantastic. When you play alongside him, you realise what a special talent he is.” - Michael Carrick “There isn’t a player of his mould anywhere else in the world.” - Glenn Hoddle “When he played in the junior sides he used to have his own personal fan club that would come just to watch him!” - Eric Harrison “He’s the best one- or two-touch passer in the country. He sees the game unlike any other player.” - Terry Venables See. If you read those you'd think Scholes was the best player ever, rather than just the best English midfielder of the last 20 years. The trick is not to believe everything you read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFCMadPaul Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 We can all lob quotes up, it doesn't necessarily mean anything. At the end of the day, I don't think I'm alone in rating little Stevie as a second tier midfielder.You are one in a minority! And what about the personal honours Gerrard has won? Second tier players don't consistently be rewarded with those type of accolades do they? Steven Gerrard would walk into any team in world football and that is a fact. He is world class and far from being second tier like you state. You must be on the wind up come to think of it. Surely you are not that blind as to see what Gerrard has done/achieved consistently since he broke into the Liverpool team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yakubu Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 Steven Gerrard would walk into any team in world football and that is a fact. Prove it....Woops! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyMathis Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 Has Gerrard come out of Michael Essiens pocket yet???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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