Robin Hood is from Loxley, Sheffield, Yorkshire!

[PhilipB]

 

Saying "leave history where it belongs, in the past" obviously means you don't care and that is what you have just said. I think you care and I'm guessing that you have Nottingham connections and that is what your avatar indicates. If you do have Nottingham connections then let me say here and now that Robin Hood belongs in Yorkshire so you had better get used to it my friend.

 

(The Battle of Evesham was 1265)

 

For the record, I'm Sheffield born and bred, have never visited Nottingham, have no desire to do so and my avatar simply relates to my having pursued archery as a sport.

Oh, and by the way, thanks but I choose my own friends.

 

Away and get your green tights on.

[sandie]

 

For the record, I'm Sheffield born and bred, have never visited Nottingham, have no desire to do so and my avatar simply relates to my having pursued archery as a sport.

Oh, and by the way, thanks but I choose my own friends.

 

Away and get your green tights on.

 

If you have looked at the previous threads posted by Grahame with regards Robin Hood and little John he has agreat deal of Knoledge on the subject.

So lets stop the attitude and the comments with regards the green tights.

This is a foum where people have their own opinions and this has been said many times before, if you disagree then say why, do not start to through insults

[sandie]

 

For the record, I'm Sheffield born and bred, have never visited Nottingham, have no desire to do so and my avatar simply relates to my having pursued archery as a sport.

Oh, and by the way, thanks but I choose my own friends.

 

Away and get your green tights on.

 

Have you got many, maybe an attitude adjustment is in order

[Grahame]

The Sloane Manuscript which is housed in the British Museum is handwritten and appears to be a copy, possibly dictated from an original. It predates the earliest printed version of the “Gest of Robin Hood” before the ingredients from the Elizabethan playwrights had contaminated the legend.

 

There was a boundary dispute between Yorkshire and Derbyshire which came under Nottingham’s administration. The people of Hathersage wanted rights of way to Loxley. However the dispute was finally settled and remains where it is today marked by Stannage Pole. The dispute explains the reference to Loxley in the first sentence which says Robin Hood was born in Loxley in Yorkshire or after others (according to others) in Nottingham, thereby identifying his birthplace as the Hallamshire Loxley. (GK)

 

THE SLOANE MANUSCRIPT

“Robin Hood was borne at Lockesley, in Yorkeshire, or after others, in Notinghamshire, in the days of Henry the second, about the yeare 1160; but lyued tyll the latter end of Richard the Fyrst. He was of wo[ ? ] parentage, but was so riotous, that he lost or sould his patrimony, and for debt became an outlawe; then ioyning to him many stout fellows of like disposicioun, amongst whome one called Little John was principal, or next to him. They hainted about Barnsdale forrest, Clomptoun parke, and other such places. They vsed most of al shooting, wherin they all excelled all the men of the land, though, as occation required, they had al so other weapons.

 

One of his first exploits was the goyng abrode into a forrest, and bearing with him a bowe of exceeding great strength. He fell into company with certayne rangers, or woodmen, who fell to quarrel with him, as making showe to vse such a bowe as no man was able to shoote with all; whereto Robin replyed, that he had two better then that at lockesley, only he bare thot with him nowe as a byrding bowe. At length the contentioun grewe so hote, that there was a wager layd about the kylling of a deer a great distance of; for performance whereof, Robin offered to lay his head to a certayne soume of money. Of the advantage of which rash speech, the others presently tooke. So the marke being found out, one of them, they were both to make his hart faint, and hand vnsteady, as he was about to shoote, urged him with the losse of his head if he myst the marke. Notwithstanding, Robin kyld the deare, and gaue every man his money agayne saue to him which at the point of shooting so vpbrayed him with danger to loose his head. For that money, he sayd, they would drinke together, and herevpon the other stomached the matter; and from quarrelling they grewe to fighting with him.

 

But Robin, getting him somewhat off with shooting, dispact them, and so fled away; and then betaking him selfe to lieu in the woods by such booty as he could get, his company encreast to an hundred and a halfe; and in those dayes, whether they were favord, or how so ever, they were counted invincible. Wheresoever he hard of any that were of vnvsual strength and hardynes, he would disgyse him selfe, and rather than fayle go lyke a beggar, to become acqueynted with them; and after he had tried them with fighting, never giue them over tyl he had vsed means to drawe them to lyve after his fashion.

 

After such manner he procured the pynder of Wakefeyld to become one of his company, and a freyer, called Muchel, though some say he was an other kind of religious man, for that the order of fryers was not yet sprung up; Scarlock, he induced, upon this occacion: one day meting him, as he walked solitary, and lyke to a man forlorne, because a mayd to whom he was affianced was taken from by the violence of her friends, and giuen to another that was auld and welthy. Whervpon Robin, vnderstanding when the maryage-day should be, came to the church, as a beggar, and having his company not far of, which came in so sone as they hard the sound of his horne, he toking, the bride perforce from him that was in hand to have maryed her, and caused the preist to wed her and Scarlocke together.

 

Amongst other that greatly freinded him, was Sir Richard Lee, a knight of Lancashire, lord of [..rso.. castle]; and that first vpon this occation, it was the manner of Robin and his retinue to lyue by thieving and robbing, though yet he were somewhat religiously affected, and not without superstition. But of al seynts, he most honored the Virgin Mary; so that if any, for her sake, asked ought of him, he wold perform it, if possibly hecould; neither would he suffer any that belonged vnto him to violate women, poremen, or any of husbandry. Al theyr attempts were chiefly against fat prelates and religious persons, and howses fryers; and he is commended of John Major for the prince of al theyuse and robbers, &c.

 

Nowe, once it happened him to send little John Scarlocke and Muchel to the sayles vpon Watling streets, to meete with some booty they wanted, when any prey came to theyr hands to leade them into the wood to their habitacion, as if they would vse some hospitality; but after they had eate, would make them pay deerely for theyr cates, by stripping them of such things as they had. So they dealt with Sir Richard Lee, leading to their manor, who made him the best cheare they had; and when Sir Richard would have departed only with giving the thanks, Robin tould him it was not his manner to dyne any where but he payd for such things as he tooke, and so should others do to him ere they parted, and it were, as he sayd, no good manners to refuse such doing. The knight tould him he had but Xs., which he ment should have borne his charges at Blyth, or Doncaster; and if he had none, it fared ful yl with him at the tyme to parte from it, onely he promised, as he should be able, to requite his curtesy with the lyke. But Robin, not so contented, caused him to be searcht, and found no more but what the knight had told him of; wherevpon he commended his true dealing, and enquired further touching the cause of his sadness and bareness. The knight tould him then of his state and his ancestry, and how his sonne and Hayre, falling at varinge with a knight in Lancashire, slewe him in the feild, for which, and some other such lyke exployts, being in danger to loose his lyfe, the knight, to procure his deliverance, had been at great charges, and even lastly dryven to pawn his castle and lyving to the abbot of St. Maryes, at Yorke, for 400lj; and the cheife justice so dealt with the abbot for his state, or interest therein, that being lyke to forfeyt his lyving for lacke of money to redeeme it at the day appointed, he despaired now of al recovery.

 

Robin then, pittying his case, gave him 400lj, which was parte of such bootyes as they had gorged, and surety for payment againe within a tweluemont was our Lady. They also furnysht him with apparel, out of which he was worne quyte, and therefore, for very shamement, shortly to have past over the seas, and to spend the rest of his lyfe, as a mournful pylgrime, in going to Jerusalem, &c.; but being now enlightned, he despaired iust as his day appointed to ye abbot, which where the cheife in the shire conversed, accounting al knights lands saued to themselues; and the knight, to try theyr charity, made shewe as if he wanted money to pay the debt, and when he found no token of compassion, left them the money and recovered his land, for which that payment were made he offred to ferme (farm) the abbot thereby.

 

Now, ere the twelvemonth was expired, Sir Richard provided the 400lj, and a hundred shefe of good arrows, which he ment to bestowe on Robin Hood; and encountering on the way certayne people that were wrestling for a great wager, he stood still to see the event of the matter. So there was a yeman that prevailed, but the other people enuying it, and the rather because he was but pore and alone, accorded among them…to oppress him with wrongs; that the knight took his parte, and rescued him, and at parting gaue him 5 marks.

 

Nowe it befell, that neere to Nottingham al the cheifest archers had apoynted a day of shooting for some great wager, the Sherife him selfe being appointed to see the game. Nowe that Sheriffe was a fel adversary to Robin and his company, and he againe of them so lesse maligned; therefore, to see into al matters, Little John was sent, in disguysed manner, to go shoote amongst them, where he sped him so wel, that the Shyryfe iudged him to be the best archer; and so importuned him to be his man, that Little John went home with him, under the name of Raynold Greenlefe, and telling him he was bornen Holdernesse.

 

So Little John watched al advantages to do his master some myscheufe; and, understanding where he used to go hunting, by some means procured his master Robin Hood, and his retinue, to be in redynes ther about. So one day, the Shyryfe and al his people bin gone hunting, Little John, of purpose, kept behinde, and lay a bed as somewhat sicke; but was no sooner gat vp enquired for his dynner of the steward, which, with curse words, denyed him vituals tyl his master were come home; wherevpon Little John beate him downe, and entred the buttry. The cook being a very stout fellowe, fought with him a long tyme, and at length accorded to goe with him to the forrest. So they two ryfled the howse, tooke away al the Shyryfe’s treasure and best thinges, and conveyed it to Robin Hood; and then Little John repaired to the Shyryfe, who, in his hunting, doubted no such matter, but toke him for one of his company; wherevpon Little John tould him he had seen the goodlyest heard of deere that was in the forrest, not far of seven score in a company, which he could bring him to. The Sheryfe, glad to heare of so strange a matter, went with him, tyl he came where the danger of Robin Hood and his company, who led him to their habitacion, …….and there serued him with his own plate, and other thinges, that Little John and the cook had brought away. So that night they made him ly on the ground, after theyr owne manner, wrapt in a green mantel, and the next day sent him away, after they had taken an oath of him never to pursve them, but the best he could to serue them; but the Shyrfte afterward made no more account of the othe then was meete yt.

 

After this, Little John, Scarlocke, and others, were sent forth to meet with some company, if they were pore to helpe them with some such thinges as they had; if rytch, to handle them as they sawe occasion. So, vppon the way near Barensdale, they met with 2 Blacke monkes, wel horsed, and accompanied with 50 persons. Nowe, because Robin, their master, had our Lady in great reverence when any booty came to theyr hand, they would say our Lady sent them theyr; wherefore, when Little John sawe that company, hevsed such proverbe to his fellows, encouraging them to encounter; and coming to the monkes, he tould them, that though they were but 3, they durst never see theyr master agayne, but if they brought them to dinner with him; and whom the monke keape of, little John begged to speake reproachfully for making his master stay dinner so long; whervpon, when the monkes enquired for his master’s name, and Little John tould him it was Robin Hood, the monke angerly replyde, he was an arrant thief, of whom he never hard good; Little John replyde as contumeliously, saying, he was a yeoman of the forrest, and bad him to dynner; so the grewe from wordes to strokes, tyl they had kyled al but one or two, which they led, perforce, to theyr master, who saluted them lowely; but the monke, being stout-hearted, did not the lyke to his. Then Robin blewe his horn, and his retinue came in; they al went to dynner, and after that, Robin asked him of what abbey he was, who tould hime he was of St. Mary.

 

Now it was to the same to whose abbat the knight ought the 400lj which Robin lent him to redeeme his landes with, al which Robin perceiving, begone t iest, that he marvayled our Lady had not sent him yet his pay which she was surety for betwixt a knight and him. Have no care, master, sayd Little John; you need not to say this monk hath brought it, I dare wel swere, for he is of her abbey. So Robin called for wyne, and drank to him, and prayed him to let him see if he had brought him the money. The monke swore he had never hard speech of such covenant before. But Robin bare him downe: he desembled, seing he knewe both Christ and his mother were so iust, and confessing him selfe to be theyr every dayes servant and messenger, must needs have it, and therefore thanked him for coming so at his day. The monke stil denying, Robin asked howe much money he had about him; but twenty marks, sayd the monke. Then sayd Robin, if we fynd more, we will take it as of our Ladyes sending, but wil not of that which is thy owne spending money.

 

So Little John was sent to serch his bagges, and found about 800lj, which he related to his master, telling him with al, that our Lady had dobled his payment. Yea, I tould thee, monke, sayd Robin, what a trusty woman she is; so he called for wyne, and dranke to the monke, bidding him commend him to our Lady, and if she had need of Robin Hood, she would fynd him thankeful for so lib’ral dealing. Then they searcht the lode of another horse, wherefore the monke tould him that was curtesy to bid a man to dynner, and beate and bynd him; and it is our manner sayd Robin, to leave but a little behind, so the monke made hast to be gone, and sayd he might have dyned as good cheape at Blyth, or Doncastre. And Robin called to him as he was going, and bad him greete wel his abbot, and the rest of their convent, and wysh them to sende hym suche a monke ech day to dynner. Then shortly came the knight to keepe his day; and after salutacions, was about to pay him his money, beside xx marks for his curtesy; but Robin gave it him agayne, telling him howe our Lady had sent him, that, and more, by the abbey’s cellarer, and it were to him a shame to be twyse payd; but the bowes and arrows he accepted, for which he gave him at parting other 400lj. (Marks)

 

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After which tyme he continued that course of lyfe about XX years, tyl, distempered with could and age, he had great payne in his lymes, his bloud being corrupted; therefore, to be eased of his payne, by letting blud, he repaired to the priores of Kyrkesley, which some say was his aunt, a woman very skylful in physique and surgery; who, perceiving him to be Robin Hood, and way’ing howe fel an enemy he was to religious persons, toke reveng of him for her owne howse, and al others, by letting him bleed to death; and she buryed him vnder a greate stone, by the hy way’es side. It is also sayd, that one Sir Roger of Dancastre, bearing grudge to Robin for some injury, incited the prioress, with whom he was very familiar, in such manner to dispatch him, and then al his company was soone dispersed. The place of Little John’s burial is to this the celebro. For yielding of excellent whetstones. (Stannage Edge)

FINIS.

 

© Clement of the Glen 2006-2007

[retep]

Grahame as you well know,from another Robin Hood site,

 

UFO's, King Arthur, the Loch Ness Monster, The Abominable Snowman, Bigfoot, Robin Hood …. you may not believe that any of these exist but the simple fact that if you could recycle the amount of printed paper matter written about them all back into trees you'd be a fair way to starting another Sherwood Forest.

 

why do you keep dragging up bits of unproven tripe to make it look like truth.

[Grahame]

Grahame as you well know,from another Robin Hood site,

 

UFO's, King Arthur, the Loch Ness Monster, The Abominable Snowman, Bigfoot, Robin Hood …. you may not believe that any of these exist but the simple fact that if you could recycle the amount of printed paper matter written about them all back into trees you'd be a fair way to starting another Sherwood Forest.

 

why do you keep dragging up bits of unproven tripe to make it look like truth.

 

If you are saying that such academics as Sir Hans Sloane, Roger Dodsworth, Joseph Hunter, Sir William Dugdale, and John Leland c.1506-52 published a load of tripe then feel free to do so but I suggest you Google them first. They are among the finest authorities in their field and are recognised as such the world over.

[retep]

Robin of Locksley

 

Locksley was introduced into the story via the Sloan Manuscript which was probably first written in the sixteenth century. The manuscript states that "Robin Hood was born in Locksley in Yorkshire or after other in Nottinghamshire, in ye days of Henry II about ye yeare 1160, but lived tyll ye latter end of Richard Ye Fyrst". This was the beginnings of Robin of Locksley or Loxley. Roger Dodsworth an antiquarian of the seventeenth century, wrote:

 

Robert Locksley, born in Bradfield parish, in Hallamshire (S. Yorkshire), wounded his stepfather to death at plough: fled into the woods, and was relieved by his mother till he was discovered. Then he came to Clifton upon Calder, and came acquainted with Little John, that kept the kine (cattle) which said John is buried at Hathershead (Hathersage) in Derbyshire, where he hath a fair tomb-stone with an inscription. Mr Long saith that Fabyan saith, Little John was an earl Huntingdon. After he joined with Much, the Miller's son.

 

Once again the story of Robin Hood became more confused. This theme was continued in 1819 by Sir Walter Scott, who portrays Robin Hood as Robin of Locksley in his book Ivanhoe. There is a Loxley in Warwickshire, and another near Sheffield in Yorkshire.

[retep]

MI5 cover up,

 

http://www.halifaxcourier.co.uk/weird-world/MI5-coverup-claim-over-Robin.3440501.jp

[sandie]

Grahame as you well know,from another Robin Hood site,

 

UFO's, King Arthur, the Loch Ness Monster, The Abominable Snowman, Bigfoot, Robin Hood …. you may not believe that any of these exist but the simple fact that if you could recycle the amount of printed paper matter written about them all back into trees you'd be a fair way to starting another Sherwood Forest.

 

why do you keep dragging up bits of unproven tripe to make it look like truth.

 

"Lets stop the Bus here" as a South Yorkshire man we have always accepted and believed in Robin of Loxley you can niether prove or disprove his existance.

Next point the Loch Ness Monster as you will see I live in Inverness and over the years I have fished this loch it is a strange place and things do happen, even people like Nicolas Whitchall have seen something (Try reading his book)

[retep]

"Lets stop the Bus here" as a South Yorkshire man we have always accepted and believed in Robin of Loxley you can niether prove or disprove his existance.

Next point the Loch Ness Monster as you will see I live in Inverness and over the years I have fished this loch it is a strange place and things do happen, even people like Nicolas Whitchall have seen something (Try reading his book)

 

You stop the bus wherever you want, I like to see the proof rather than,

http://www.bbc.co.uk/bradford/sense_of_place/unexplained/cottingley_fairies.shtml