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My window analogy was referring to the story of the "fall" and subsequent saving action of Jesus, all of which were, according to Christian doctrine, planned before hand by God, ie, He already knew how and when the window would be repaired before it was even broke (omniscience). If you're having difficulty understanding my analogy, it's nowhere near the amount I've had trying to make head or tail of this doctrine! As for the reasons why people kill hundreds with guns and bombs, I suggest that you study the psychology of people like Saddam Hussain or the Taliban for an answer.

Using the same logic, mans' sins and downfall would have also been planned at the same time as his salvation; rather like phoning a glazier to come and restore your unboken window pane at the same time as you heave a brick through it. Seems like we can't win either way.

I bow to your superior knowledge on this subject, but a while ago, while looking at the costs incurred by canal boats, I thought the council had their pennies-worth when someone had a fixed mooring.

I concede that my point was about personal responsibility rather than evil deeds. One foreign culture, the Chinese, has been around for 6000years but there is little evidence that we have adopted much of their knowledge or philosophies, rather the reverse. The tribes of the Amazon, which I suspect you may be referring to, probably had no need for conflict as many were isolated and lived a self- sufficent life in the dense rainforests. However, they had bows and poisoned darts to kill for food, and would doubtless defend themselves if attacked.

Whats roast moggie like then? Have they got them at Morrisons?

If I ran into your car or over your cat and said that I lacked the knowledge that I was causing harm or damage, I would still expect that you would hold me responsible and claim on my insurance.

I believe you mean a canal barge? these things can be nearly as expensive as a house to run - mooring fees, council tax, fuel, River Authority charges, all for the good of the community mind!

That is precisely what I said. Many risk their lives in order to save others; not their souls, but their life here on earth.

Br8inend-do you own a tv, or a computer, or a printer, or a hi-fi, or....

A fireman who enters a burning building has no intention of dying, he has every intention of emerging alive, he goes in with appropriate protection and the last thing on his mind is to be a hero; sacrificing his life would not save others, quite the opposite. As far as I am aware no one on here is trying to denigrate Jesus of Nazareth; he did no harm to others and has done nothing to you or I or anyone else and is worthy of respect like anyone else of his calibre. However, when his followers and the church that was founded after him makes the kind of claims and promulgates the kind of doctrines that we are all too familiar, it is only right they should be subjected to an enquiry of the most thorough and rigorous proportions.

Question for the Christians on here please, what's your opinion on Jesus' crucifixion; was he murdered, did he commit a form of suicide (deicide) or did he engineer his own execution using his superior intelligence, and was his trial and punishment legal under Roman law?

We might believe or imagine all sorts of fantastical things-science fiction books are full of them, but it doesn't mean they are true. Now before my birth I was in two places at once-one half with my mother and the other half with my father!

Most of us want love and peace but unfortunately there are those who have an "attitude" that prevents us from achieving it. However, you do have a point in that if we all became ascetics, especially celibate ones, the population could be reduced dramatically which would solve our concerns about future generations as there wouldn't be any. Prosperous in mind but poor in material comforts we would be. Mother earth would breathe a sigh of relief.

I agree with jl-heating, but I think a razorblade is a tad risky-the safer option, and extremely effective is the window-scraper, the tool with the plastic handle that accepts a Stanley blade, and if the existing bead has to be sliced into then use the small Stanley type tool with the snap-off blade tips, but use great care.

Without desire we would never have ventured outside of caves. We desire to do good, as well as evil, so desire can be a desirable thing. The philosophies of the Far East have been much vaunted over the last half century or so, but it cannot be denied that those countries where they originated have prospered extremely well by adopting the philosophies of the west; in other words, they are no longer satisfied with just a saffron robe, a mat and a bowl of rice.

Remember, the extra income will have to decared to the taxman.

You express fine sentiments but may I ask, what do you mean by being free frome desire? We desire the computers and tvs without which we could not express these views, we desire electric irons, washing machines, central heating, microwave ovens and a house to put them all in. We also might desire to have children and might have a secret desire for the wife (or husband) of a friend, or live in a quiet rural village rather than next to a busy motorway. The same goes for peace - how do you get that when say a next door neighbour has six dogs barking 24 hrs a day, or some travellers set up camp on your back lawn because they think it's got a lovely view? "Peace and desire" is not only pertinant on an international basis, but on an individual basis, too.

I doubt if these sentiments were being shared by the concentration camp victims as they were being led into the gas chambers.

"Are for Jews" - could anyone here put forward a definition for a Jew?

I had in mind other sightings about the phenomenon that you witnessed that others may have had in or outside the area; if their map references, azimouth etc were known then perhaps the information that you are looking for might be estimated wth more certainty, as offerred by an earlier post.

Have you consulted any local forums and newspaper reports around the time, also I think there is some kind of UFO sightings database?

The "right" you speak of was a key part of the 1979 Conservative manifesto and it proved to be a vote winner (see post 84). For years afterwards, the Labour opposition threatened to buy them back which further alienated many of their supporters. As far as improvements in the older properties are concerned, the Council didn't care two hoots what you did as long as the rent was paid on time. Now, it seems that when a tenant moves out, any of the fittings like new kitchen units, doors etc are ripped out, even the garages are knocked down. Not even a thankyou. If you tour around some of the estates and observe the general appearance of many of the properties, it would suggest that, like the Council, many of the tenants have a disinterested and dispirited attitude towards them. I believe they are now under new management by Sheffield Homes.

I am in S6, if you need any further advice on sealant, please PM me.

They probably do, down in hell the Devil's got a hot line to upstairs and they do a roaring trade in smoke alarms, plenty of slave labour to make them too, and the pitchforks come in handy for their giant BBQs.

Back in 1980, the situation was somewhat different. The Conservatives had won the election and one of the main planks of their manifesto was the RTB policy. In Sheffield, the socialist council had, for generations, presided over the large council estates which were suffering from residual neglect and disinterest, little had been done to them since they were built. Many tenants felt that they were subjected to a paternalistic attitude that had characterised the Labour council who regarded council tenants as "their own". When the RTB opportunity arose, many tenants that were or had been staunch Labourites leaped at the chance, but it was certainly controversial, in fact the Council did everything they could to deter tenants from exercising their RTB to the point where Michael Heseltine, the Housing Minister, was poised to assume the sale process directly away from SCC. The legislation was partly political but it was also intended to develop a more mixed tenure amongst these huge estates. It is conceivable that the rents then were being subsidised by either central goverment or SCC rates, and also the huge investment required for their renovation was not readily available, no doubt due to the state of the public finances left by the outgoing Labour government. The valuations were low as much of the older stock was in need of modernising and there were doubts about the saleability of such houses, particularly within a large estate. However, at that time, RTB was seen by many as a refreshing and inspirational policy which gave many families their first rung on the housing ladder which they would otherwise never have had.