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  1. Looking out side of our one sided mainstream media, the mouthpiece for our austerity camouflaged neo conservative government who back 100% US hegemonic objectives Max Blumenthal’s father was an aide to President Bill Clinton and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. is an award-winning journalist and the author of several books https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Blumenthal For those that research through an addiction to click bait Max Blumenthal asks a simple question while actully going into the supermarkets and having look. Where are the ‘empty shelves’? Max Blumenthal tours Caracas supermarket https://grayzoneproject.com/2019/02/21/venezuela-humanitarian-crisis-max-blumenthal-supermarket-caracas/
  2. I have copies of that plus a few of his others, you might be able to download them on youtube, each a university module in itself, was quite shocked at the time on how well they were researched and worse had he done them a few years before they would have saved doing a degree or two The planning for downfall of Syria started decades before, and already in IRAN the US of A with their Saudi friends have already started the ball rolling with terrorist attacks, by their chosen freedom fighters the MKO. The insurgency has been going on for the past few years, so smouldering, waiting for the US to find the right excuse for the media blood lust to really get in top gear. IS, or ISIS or Al NUSRA tactics in Syria with the over the top horrors of gruesome murders, rape ect, are identical to those employed in Guatemala and especially in Nicaragua during the years when the new appointee to Venezuela by Bolton was in command. All trained, all directed, designed and contrived by the CIA straight out of their handbook. So IS to me were just US trained state terrorists, where ever action bombing and not forgetting the gas attacks all choreographed for corporate USA mass media consumption. When you look at the practices of the CIA since WW2 its like they have improved, remodelled and added to all of the worst practices of the NAZIS, except they do not have a problem disposing of the corpses they just leave them uncounted where they were killed, saves all the dam accountability, and we are talking a few tens of millions over the years. Never forget that killing over 500,000 children in Iraq before it was invaded was a price worth paying, something any NAZI would also be proud to state, and when I heart it only Mein FĂŒhrer mien seemed to be missing. But the US rules the world ignores International Laws, and imposes its own laws, being in Syria is against International Law, as are the sanction against Venezuela, The USA starves nations to death and we all accept this form of state terrorism as acceptable. I am always agog at the complacency of people and no wonder the ordinary people in Germany id also not want to know what was going on.
  3. Thank you, I was getting carried away, as now the USA has thrown off the humanitarian , as in Libya and Bolton stated its the control of OIL, so they can turn off the taps for China Just wait for the reasons for war, the drums have already started beating. Sorry about the AXIS which proves my memory wires sometimes get crossed but you get the point we are lied and lied and lied to, and any truth is quickly burried and forgotten, which justifies building more deceptions. IF you want to know about the REAL AGENDAS the British have been involved in and have a really strong stomach, and can control your anger, then 2003 - MARK CURTIS in the WEB OF DECEIT is a terrifying introduction into the elite British minset. You will not believe it, but its all factual, all evidence based horror.
  4. As if we have not been involved in Syria years before the uprising , helping Uncle Sam in destabilising to get rid of Assad, something that had been an ongoing plan for years prior to the so called civil war. So refresh you memory regarding the TRIAL of a TERRORIST in 2015. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jun/03/us-isis-syria-iraq Wed 3 Jun 2015 The trial in London of a Swedish man, Bherlin Gildo, accused of terrorism in Syria, collapsed after it became clear British intelligence had been arming the same rebel groups the defendant was charged with supporting. The prosecution abandoned the case, apparently to avoid embarrassing the intelligence services. The defence argued that going ahead with the trial would have been an “affront to justice” when there was plenty of evidence the British state was itself providing “extensive support” to the armed Syrian opposition. That didn’t only include the “non-lethal assistance” boasted of by the government (including body armour and military vehicles), but training, logistical support and the secret supply of “arms on a massive scale”. Reports were cited that MI6 had cooperated with the CIA on a “rat line” of arms transfers from Libyan stockpiles to the Syrian rebels in 2012 after the fall of the Gaddafi regime. Clearly, the absurdity of sending someone to prison for doing what ministers and their security officials were up to themselves became too much. But it’s only the latest of a string of such cases. Less fortunate was a London cab driver Anis Sardar, who was given a life sentence a fortnight earlier for taking part in 2007 in resistance to the occupation of Iraq by US and British forces. Armed opposition to illegal invasion and occupation clearly doesn’t constitute terrorism or murder on most definitions, including the Geneva convention. Maybe its time to realise what our political elites and their closet backers as well as collaborators the US is really up to, so forget the propaganda lies, its a rush, for total US global dominance before the financial debt bomb blows up in the not too far off future. The tipping point came in August when the tax returns of the USA failed to balance with the interest rate on the debt. https://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2013/sep/15/chris-kapanga/interest-payments-us-debt-exceeds-us-tax-revenue-w/ So the seeds of the next financial catastrophe or pathway to using nukes against either Iran or China or both is now pretty much an even bet. So global financial debt meltdown or nuclear war, it’s a simple choice and the future is in the hands of the US Psychopathic elites that bought you, Freedom and Democracy to Iraq, Libya, coming soon to a TV near you, the Axis of Evil” show where Venezuela is first then it the turn of Cuba and Nicaragua, closely followed by Iran and then folks it off to CHINA for some spectacular fireworks
  5. Do you know anythng about your digestive system? Ovbiously they are unrelated BUT as I mentioned before back pain is normally caused by pressure on the nerve, so as opposed to a direct cause ther could be an indirect cause as IBS like all stomach problems, can make one exert pressure, to relieve pressures which as stated pressure from whatever cause. Maybe a book on anatomy would help, but it all depends on whether you are serious about solving the poblem, which can be helped thought understanding your biology, otherwise it could confuse a doctor, if not make them not take you that seriously. So the key is pressure, and it can and you can cause it in a variety of ways.
  6. South America is generally divided in most countries, obviously the rich and the poor but its a bit more than that....and this is MY OPINION so no references as its all benn in the news over the last 20 years or so. Its a matter of remembering., so correct me if I made a mistke, but I like to call a spade a spade. One subject no one seems to have addressed regarding the problems in Venezuela is the racial divide. Skin colour divides the nation and is deep in the people's consciousness. Along with skin colour is the economic divide, So this issue is common in many South American countries so light skinned people tend to be the top of the social structure and darker skinned people at the bottom, the poor. So racial background also fuels the class divide in Venezuela. Chavez started to address the prejudice and discrimination against people of a darker skin colour......the poor. Racism in South America has a long historical heritage, namely colonialism. So in urban situations one finds that the upper and middle class areas, the skin colour is lighter, which leaves the less economically prosperous are darker skinned in Venezuela. So there is a direct relationship between skin colour and class membership in Venezuela and this helps explain the pro government supporters and the opposition supporters, and the demonstrations we are fed thought out skewed mass media outlets. So how come reporters see just the opposition side of the divide. Opposition good, light skinned more educated and sophisticated the government darker, not just in skin colour but in governeing ideology, as well. Well lets think about it. Where do out unbias reporters stay, where are the hotels in the cities? Well not in the slums are they! So they live in bubble within a larger bubble, and the inner one is prosperous, the people are more educated and economically more affluent and lighter skinned. Prior to the Chavez socialist revolution the lights had all the wealth and the darks were impoverished, and he changed this dynamic. He pushed housing education and social welfare and all the stuff that was not there before, the idea was to serve all the people not just a section of the people. This obviously ****** off the ones that found they were not in control anymore, watching the people worship this devil, who dared to forget the rule of the rod, to now sparing the people from the tyrannical powerful moneyed exploitive class. So lets consider how the USA views SOCIALISM, and its cousin COMMUNISM. Well both are the enemy of capitalism, restricting profits, and exploitation as well as the joys of exercising power. So the lighter skinned, middle and upper classes had an external ally, as both hated this waste of resources to the undeserving poor, a bit like how benefits are seen in the UK. Keeping undesirables apart form the airs of sophistication and privileges is seen as a natural order of things, not quite NAZI but definitely closer to a chosen Darwinian interpretation. In the USA we have the UNDESIRABLES who like those who voted fr BREXIT, uneducated, generally poor, unworthy and unsuitable people who should not have been given the vote to begin with. So seeing the internal conflict in Venezuela is really just another natural human conflict, where it about one thing and one thing only. POWER, or in the case of the lighter skinned portion of the population regaining power. The price for this is to give the USA the OIL and other natural recourses, and that is also about POWER, as controlling the energy resources allows them to pressurise CHINA, strangling them like Iran, Cuba, Russia and the other few sovereign countries not controlled by the USA
  7. Nerves can be thought of a bit like electric cable, in which the metal conductor is surrounded by insulation. When the insulation is damaged it can prevent the electrical circuit from working properly. Nerves carry signals to and from the brain, the control centre of the body. The sciatic nerve provides the connection to the nervous system all the way to your foot. It goes down the spinal cord and then leaves it, and where it leaves the spine wear on the disks can cause trapping of the nerve, which is felt as pain. Solving the problem through acupuncture, suggest further damage to the spine, like wear to the disc which is cartilage. Cartilage acts as a shock absorber, keeping the bones (vertebrae) separated. The rubber on the wheel of your car is also a bit of a shock absorber separating the hard bumpy road from the metal of the car. A flat tyre allows you to feel the road directly and driving is loud as the metal rim grinds into the road allowing you to feel every imperfection in the road. So wear on the cartilage through repeated bending or lifting over years can wear the cartilage unevenly thus trapping nerves which is felt as pain. So leaning in one direction can be painful but not necessarily in another as one is relieving the pressure. Pressures can cause inflammation which also squeezes the nerves. So any pressure on the nerves causes pain, and the idea is to locate precisely where the pressure is. It is hard to believe that pain in ones foot is really caused by a spinal problem. Amputees have mentioned they gat an itch in a part that no longer exists, which is an example of how its hard to relate the pain to the source of the pain. Some people find they are getting shorter, as they get older which is also caused by problems that shrink the size of the disk, so separation of the bones is reduced. X ray can show this problem as well as a MRI scan. The future is bright as we are starting using stem cells with can regrow cartilage providing there is still cartilage there, if there not then its impossible.
  8. So is it spinal or muscular both can cause back pain, for various reasons. If you have a trapped nerve then its tears in the eyes time, and this could be a muscular or skeletal cause. Posture can allow inflamation to persist thus trapping nerves. So there are stabbing pains, pains that come and go, pains that wrap themselves round you never letting one forget them for a second, and any movement when asleep wakes one up like one has been electrocuted. It helps to now what it is how it happen when it happens and possible what first caused it, or brought it to notice. So when skeletal its important where where along the spine you feel it most. As you can see I am over familiar with pain, but I was given an epidural injection under anesthetic and have been walking on water ever since, but I broke my neck, smashed bones so I knew the exact place in my spine, knew where my nerves passed through bones, and went from my skul to the rest of my body. Knowing your biology, actually helps a doctor, saves time, too, as he does not ahve to poke, probe, adn get you scanned numerous times and it only took a couple of years and everyhing was almost as normal.
  9. So how many of these fine people supported austerity, how much they grab from the expenses pot on top of thier rather generous saleries. They are the self important not teachers, police, scientists, manufacturers, creators, innovators, doctors, just educated freebooters who suddenly realised they ahve principles. The main principle is always self interest of course, but beware as they can talk the hind legs off a horse. We discuss thing on this forum but we do it for free, not for ÂŁ250,000 + in expenses, plus overpaid wages that rise while others stagnate or devalue. The rats previously dressed up as the sheep they are, always leave what they think is a sinking ship, in the hope to suvive, its just that simple, to be seen as heroes in the I told you so, blasted loud and clear thorough hyjacking the media propaganda machine. We need people who can do things, are practical, not over bloated windbags who have done nothing will do nothing, adn pretend to know things they need equally self interested advisors to provide the selective evidence they require for self promotion.
  10. The following is just a point of view, an OPINION made up of things I have heard and remembered over the years, all second hand knowledge more a stream of consciousness than hard facts. Hope it is entertaining and makes the bleedin' obvious ......obvious. Harvey Weinstein produced lots of successful films, he was powerful rich, and untouchable, regarding what was happening under the radar in the privacy of the casting couch.. He projected a specific image, designed to impress , and be respected. This is propaganda on a personal level, where a one sided picture hides the excrement decomposing on the other. The BBC produces many good, interesting high to low brow entertainments and information, from science through the arts, to game shows. This is the front, the glitter that shines and makes people proud to be involved with, just like Harvey. But the BBC also bangs a very loud drum when war is in the air, and backs the right side every time, where reporters are embedded, with the good and great, and nothing bad happens, where bombs are just spectacular fireworks with lots of bang and impressive columns of smoke. The depleted uranium that covers the countries, is never mentioned as its drama, and spectacle for family viewing. The enemies are simple, very bad people, gangsters, mafias, dictators who oppress and exploit their people, and steal all the money as they are always fraudsters, with bank accounts outside the country with property in all the right places just greedy selfish squanderers. We all know about Saddam, and his horrible country, where the people were oppressed and we liberated them and introduced them to freedom and democracy. It was so good that it was repeated in Libya, where the evil Gaddafi lived, suppressing his people, starving them of the money he squandered from his oil, and backing the IRA and other so called freedom fighters. The Libyans loved their freedom and democracy and give their oil to us in Europe as so grateful for their liberty. As for the guns and heavy weapons we gave them in the container loads, were given to others seeking freedom and democracy in Africa, like Boko Haram. But it was off to Syria, where the evil Assad was murdering his own people unlike Gadaffi who apparently threatened to do so. So we tried to give the Syrian people freedom too, and used the same methods, funding terrorists who would front the idea of a freedom fighters, and only kill the bad guys, but this time with their own news gathering team, the White helmets funded by the UK government showing everyone on youtube, the atrocities they managed to film of Assads horrors. We bombed all the services, water roads, bridges, sewage, electricity as usual, as we all know when one wants to give the natives freedom and democracy they have to start from scratch, and creating of a country of rubble tried is the equivalent of a blank sheet of paper. But the Syria freedom plan, did not go quite as to plan. Russia objected to freedom and democracy plan. Anyway our propaganda proves bombs and backing terrorist freedom fighters is the best way to give poorly defended countries freedom and democracy, and they just love us. In fact they love us so much millions decided to try and come to their saviours countries themselves, to get this freedom and democracy first hand. Europe and the UK, NATO countries all welcomed them with open arms. We house them in outposts in run down areas in various wonderful English country settings, and they love us. People are so kind they even give them their spit, and even teach them how to appreciate hospital food, and are so ungrateful for our generosity, for some reason. This is the rosy picture the political and financial elites dictate the BBC to propagate, while presenting the indigenous poor in this country as possibly the most undeserving load of scroungers and misfits to ever live in this green and pleasant land. Now the old are clogging up the NHS, who over the last couple of decades have seen hospital closures galore and smaller units of excellence appearing. Food banks where free food is given to the both the deserving and undeserving poor is something we are really proud of, helping the lazy, ill and helpless and the undeserving as well as the deserving too. So it not the banks who ripped us all off, who took all the money and they gave us austerity as a consolation prize, its not PFI rip offs that are destroying the NHS, and the education system. Its not all that public money being shovelled into the companies that are far more deserving than the people of this country who are impoverished indirectly by them. We all know thanks to the media being poor, homeless and destitute is really a life choice, something people choose like its some sort of career pathway, which is the message so many documentaries try and prove. Its not the abysmal wages for the majority, the uncontrolled greedy landlords that contribute to misery and poverty, its not the 50-100K debt students leave university with a 6% interest wage that stifles growth. Its not the financial industry that diverts scientists, doctors and other potential assets to the country into their bonus culture. So without propaganda, people would realise what was going on and that is why the police have spent so much money on rubber bullets recently, as the establishment eleites have never trusted the people, and if the propaganda fails the militarised police force witll be a good start at deterring discent. I do not know anything we are not given a one sided picture of, when it comes to government policy, who have decide the UK is to expand it military around the world building new military outposts to help the US sort out Russia, Iran, and China, helping contain these terrible threats that apparently deserve regime change. The game for regime change if successful in Venezuela will give the green light for Iran where the MEK / MKO a terrorist group funded and run by the US and Saudi Arabia have been bombing the country for the last few years, but have not done enough damage to be paraded through the BBC as freedom fighters. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People's_Mujahedin_of_Iran I could go one but ran out of jokes!!!
  11. I have often questioned why some people have to cling on to their fixed ideas, or opinions. Defending fixed ideas is rarely questioned as knee-jerk reactions make defending ourselves an automatic response, as who publicly dares to afford to be wrong. No one like to feel humiliation, so acting emotionally allows one to not to address the message, but insult the messenger, and turn the discussion into something safely familiar, making it PERSONAL. Maybe some people feel that their ideas are part of them as a person. Their ideas or points of view have become a fixed part of their personal identity. So when one questions these ideas, they often feel as if it them themselves, that is under scrutiny. They are not just defending their ideas, they are actually defending their identity, a distressed psychological state. Insulting the messenger sorts this out one immediately, as for such an individual it allows them to find a solution that allows them to continue thinking they were actually right. This attitude allows people to hang onto that personal idea, even it is wrong, wilfully disregarding evidence and demonstrating unreasonable, inflexible, stubbornness. Why they have to cling onto their own ideas is not questioned as they are defending themselves as such a person might feel they cannot afford to be wrong. Instead of being defensive, one should go after the argument and not the person and always be suspicious of deceptive argumentative strategy, whereby genuine discussion of the topic at hand is avoided by instead attacking the character, motive, or other attribute of the person making the argument, or persons associated with the argument, rather than attacking the substance of the argument itself. I am of the OPINION that with argument comes knowledge, and thinking objectively allows a person to gain perspectives and insights helping them develop and grow. Having the choice of many OPINIONS allows a person to decide for themselves what is most persuasive, on the basis they are open to other peoples perspectives. This might allow one opening up to new ideas, becoming more creative in ourselves. We can therefore defend our own ideas but only though being open to new ideas, which might make us more willing to change our own minds. Anyway this is why I contribute things to the forum as I do, its about bringing something to the party, to share and enrich, so all can benefit, letting the evidence speak for itself, and then people can decide on the merits of that evidence. So next time when you feel someone tells you that you are wrong, or insults you on this forum not through using evidence but through their OPINION it not their fault, its their way of defending their personal identity, which allows them to feel they are equally contributing to the debate, so just forgive them as they cannot really help themselves, and try and induce them to seek facts and evidence so they can feel part of something bigger than themselves and not apart from it.
  12. They say seeing is believing and this is beyond credulity, but on the other hand its a brave thing to do, showing off ones dirty linen in public, if you get my drift! It is certainly original

  13. Who and what is Juan Guaidó? Guaidó appears to be a product of the right-wing, middle-class student movement that tried to subvert the Chávez government in the mid-to-late 2000s. This movement, which took to the streets of Caracas to demand the ouster of Chávez, received much of its funding and training from Washington. In 2019, Guaidó, representing the Voluntad Popular party, one of the most hard-line political parties among the opposition, and assumed the position of National Assembly president. A common remark about him from Venezuelans is that he has “come out of nowhere” (viene de la nada). Over the course of several years, Washington worked with middle-class, opposition-aligned students through the US Agency for International Development (USAID) and its Office for Transition Initiatives (OTI). It world in war-torn countries that are, as, experiencing a “political transition,” such as Burma, Iraq, and Libya. A USAID member when asked why OTI worked in Venezuela, said that OTI allowed the United States to provide funds to opposition members in Venezuela faster than if they used traditional channels. US Ambassador to Venezuela William Brownfield specified that the ultimate objectives of USAID/OTI in Venezuela in a secret embassy cable secured by Chelsea Manning and released by WikiLeaks: “1) Strengthening Democratic Institutions, 2) Penetrating Chavez’ Political Base, 3) Dividing Chavismo, 4) Protecting Vital US business, and 5) Isolating Chavez internationally.” We even developed new NGOs that were looking very neutral in the eyes of the government because they had no affiliation with no political party. The campaign didn’t work out as planned. Chávez continued to garner support among the popular classes. Thereafter, USAID/OTI largely shifted its efforts toward the burgeoning student movement that developed in the mid-2000s—the movement in which Guaidó “cut his political teeth,” according to a report in The Guardian. A former USAID/OTI member who helped devise US efforts in Venezuela said the “objective was that you had thousands of youth, high school, and college kids
that were horrified of this Indian-looking guy in power. They were idealistic. USAID/OTI sought to take advantage of racialized fear of Chávez to organize middle-class youth around a long-term strategy to defeat him. Washington gave money and also providing the students with items that could “be used in the street Guaidó and others in his circle share a worldview and certain goals with the US government. Many of them linked up with US agencies, “to get Chávez out of office,” Guaidó is at the forefront of the movement to oust Maduro although vague about his actual policies because they involve massive privatization, the rollback of state services, and other policies that would make Venezuela more “inviting” for foreign investors at the expense of many Venezuelans. Guaidó’s intransigent opposition to negotiations is perhaps another reason to question his motives. Bolton et al. stated that actions against Guaidó will have consequences and are eager to assert US political and military dominance over a country that has irritated Washington for two decades. The United States has seemed to settle for imposing harsh sanctions on Venezuela that portend economic catastrophe through starving Venezuelans into revolt by sanctions demonstrated the US elites have learned nothing from the experience of Cuba, Iran, or Zimbabwe These sanctions target the lifeblood of the economy: the state oil company (PDVSA) and its sales to the United States. the government’s most important source of revenue.. https://www.thenation.com/article/venezuela-washington-funded-counterrevolution/
  14. It is interesting to note how many people SWEAR BY the mainstream media proving they trust unconditionally and thus are apt to dismiss ANYTHING that veers from what the official mouthpiece from THE MINISTRY OF TRUTH states. It proves how easy it is to brainwash, or condition people, without them realising it is happening, which is a trait shared with zealots and of course fanatical groups who follow the official line come what may. It proves that such fixed conservative mindsets are generally impossible to change, as it would undermine personal confidence. Critical thinking is thus for many to be outside of their comfort zone, and will often make PERSONALISED short curt even abusive remarks dismissing the idea out of hand, proving that EMPTY VELLLES MAKE THE MOST NOISE. They are not interested in information or verifiable evidence, as personal opinion TRUMPS IT ALL!
  15. We all know that any good accountant can manipulate figures and find loopholes to benefit the client, but there comes a point when one cannot massage the figures further. We know the government both misleads and lies when it is convenient, or as once said being economical with the truth, which is euphemism for blatant lying. We know that officially the government collect taxes in various form to the sum of £809bn https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/ng-interactive/2017/nov/22/where-does-the-uk-government-get-its-money-and-what-does-it-spend-it-all-on. AND we know the COUNTY IS IN DEBT, but no one ever ask deeper questions as the answers suggest the whole banking system is crooked, and decigend to be crooked , to exploit individuals as government alike. Banks know the cost of everythng and the vale of nothing as the BAKING CHRISIS proves! The Bank of England released a quarterly bulletin last year, in March, entitled "money creation in the modern economy." It states, clearly, that the private commercial banks have a monopoly over the creation of money. If the money supply was nationalised the government could be the sole issuer of money, provided checks and balances are in place. The state could create and issue money free of debt in order to finance public services and infrastructure projects. Instead the government has given a private banking cartel the privilege to create money and must borrow from the same banking cartel (through the issuance of gilts), when it could easily create money on its own without needing to go into debt? The BoE is already nationalised. It is accountable to a Parliamentary cross-party committee. that the government would counter the debt with state-issued money free of debt. It would be a countercyclical system so that there would be a constant supply of money in the economy. Money would not be destroyed when it is repaid, as it is the case now. Money would be created at the same rate as private loans are being repaid and credited to the Treasury's account to be issued into the economy debt-free. One of the biggest scams was qualitative easing which was designed specifically to bailout the bankrupt financial system. It was form of debt free money which entered the financial markets but did not benefit the real economy The Joke on people is that central banking cartel / system was set up so that only private banks can create money because they ALONE could charge interest on the money they create. One is encouraged NEVER to ask the logical question: Why shouldn’t the state take on this role so that base money was interest free. The private banks can issue money out of nothing and lend to the government without debasing the currency, so the next BIG QUESTION IS 
.why can't the government do the same? Why won’t the government create money for itself via the central bank? The Answer is simple: Those financial cartels have influenced political power. So with the BANKING CARTEL being the driving force at the heart of the debt-based monetary system NOTHING WILL CHANGE. So OUR GOVERNMENT does not need to go into debt, and would be able to finance public services without creating a debt. BUT WITH THE BANKING MAFIA in control forcing a debt based interest rated system on all our governments, we will remain at the mercy of these highly educated, influentially powerful crooks who help shape the laws thus legitimising what any citizen would be put in prison for. Just try making a few billion MISELLING and what happens if you got caught red handed, over and over again, manipulating markets, not forgetting LIBOR!!! Given a knighthood maybe?
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