petemcewan   27 #1 Posted June 3, 2016 (edited) Please read and sign the petition.  Sorry it all went wrong. Edited June 3, 2016 by PeteMorris Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Obelix   11 #2 Posted June 3, 2016 What toxic weedkillers? Mind you by definition they are all toxic to weeds! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
petemcewan   27 #3 Posted June 3, 2016 Obelix.  My god, you are quick. I was trying to post an article ,re, Monsanto and a cancerogenic weedkiller and posted a link direct to my email . !!! Everyone on the forum could go straight to my inbox. I'll try and find the proper link. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Obelix   11 #4 Posted June 3, 2016 Roundup isn't toxic to humans..... only certain growing plants. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
dangerousedd   10 #5 Posted June 3, 2016 oh the old glyphosate and lymphomas I presume? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
petemcewan   27 #6 Posted June 3, 2016 Obelix,  I'll find the proper name of the weedkiller. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
dangerousedd   10 #7 Posted June 3, 2016 Obelix, I'll find the proper name of the weedkiller.  roundup   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glyphosate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glyphosate#Genetic_damage_2 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glyphosate#International_Agency_for_Research_on_Cancer    International Agency for Research on Cancer[edit]  In March 2015, the International Agency for Research on Cancer published a summary of their forthcoming monograph on glyphosate, and classified glyphosate as "probably carcinogenic in humans" (category 2A) based on epidemiological studies, animal studies, and in vitro studies. It noted that there was "limited evidence" of carcinogenicity in humans for non-Hodgkin lymphoma.[9][12][13][144] The IARC classifies substances for their carcinogenic potential, and "a few positive findings can be enough to declare a hazard, even if there are negative studies as well." Unlike the BfR it does not conduct a so-called risk assessment weighing benefits against risk.[145]  The BfR responded that IARC reviewed only a selection of what they had reviewed earlier, and argued that other studies, including a cohort study called 'Agricultural Health Study', do not support the classification.[146] The IARC report did not include the German regulatory study published in December 2014, nor did it include industry-funded studies.[citation needed] Monsanto called the IARC report biased and said it wanted it to be retracted.[147] It started a case against California's carcinogen classification in 2016.[148] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
petemcewan   27 #8 Posted June 3, 2016 Dangerousedd,  I think you presumed correctly,https://secure.avaaz.org/en/stop_glyphosate_loc_eu/?bYAmObb&cl=10081552100&v=77072.  I think caution would be my watchword.  A close friend of mine farmers in the Pyrenees. Managing a small scale operation. He farms with an organic approach . Avoiding "glychoes" like the plague. I often help out in the Spring and Summer periods . Now this friend is a very practical, knowledgable and reasonably successful farmer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Obelix   11 #9 Posted June 3, 2016 Ah organic....  Ever seen the herbicides and pesticides that organic farmers use? They are a lot more lethal and dangerous to humans than glyphosates are. They do a good job of killing bees as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
petemcewan   27 #10 Posted June 3, 2016 (edited) Ah organic.... Ever seen the herbicides and pesticides that organic farmers use? They are a lot more lethal and dangerous to humans than glyphosates are. They do a good job of killing bees as well.  Obelix,  Yes, I've been close to some of the stuff. But only when I've been kitted out like I was removing blue asbestos.  It's not the stuff my friend uses. It's just constant attention and hard work from dawn to dusk.Of course ,the yield of the crops is nothing like they might have been if he had used weedkillers and pesticides . But of course there are organic farmers and there are organic farmers. Next door to my mate's farm is an Agribusiness farm- growing Rape. Herbicide and Pesticide drift is a constant problem for my friend and other organic farmers bordering agribusiness operations. Edited June 3, 2016 by petemcewan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Obelix   11 #11 Posted June 3, 2016 I'm fairly certain they wont kill everything as that's unnecessary, and expensive, and you need insects to pollinate rapeseed to get the best yields. Why on earth would you think they kill everything anyway? And just what is the apparent hatred of glyphosate - or have you some objection to what is one of the safest herbicides ever created? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Nagel   10 #12 Posted June 3, 2016 Serious article on the subject here:  https://risk-monger.com/2016/06/02/goodbye-glyphosate-why-science-doesnt-matter-in-the-age-of-stupid/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...