Do you believe in God?

[MrSmith]

You really haven't got a clue have you, as some theists are here to fight their own corner I'm signing off, this is like smashing your head against a brick wall.

 

I am getting that same feeling.

[PaliRichard]

What belief? I don't have a belief; I haven’t define God, they have in their books.

 

Your belief of them being hypocritical.

 

What's the pont of saying they have defined God in their books when you refuse to acknowledge the definition they make because it contradicts your argument?

 

You are quite bizarre sometimes. I'm going out now, tata.

[MrSmith]

Your belief of them being hypocritical.

 

What's the pont of saying they have defined God in their books when you refuse to acknowledge the definition they make because it contradicts your argument?

 

You are quite bizarre sometimes. I'm going out now, tata.

 

They define God as the creator, all powerful, all knowing. God can do anything and knows everything.

 

To love such a being whilst condemning the actions of its creation is hypocritical.

[Baz1]

Knowing which bowl your child will choose is somewhat different to creating something and knowing every insignificant little detail of its life before you crated it. To know that it will kill, yet still create it, is wrong on every level. Any one who worships and loves the creator whilst condemning the actions of the created is a hypocrite.

 

No- I can see why you are dragging this so far. You simply cannot comprehend it.

 

I can condemn the action of anyone if I feel it was wrong- whether that person is of any faith or no faith. It does not mean God made them do it- that is akin to saying that your child ends up being a serial killer or thug- do the victims blame you as the parent as it was you who created that child with your partner?

[six45ive]

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Edited April 22, 2012 by six45ive

[six45ive]

Look, you have said that the believers are hypocrites.

 

They are not hypocrites because they believe, not you are me, but they, believe that God knows the future but has given us free will to choose what we want.

 

Therefore, if someone uses that free will to commit murder, it is not hypocritical of them to condemn that murder.

 

You are confusing your opinion of the issue with those who believe, they are not being hypocritical just because you don't agree with the belief they hold.

 

from the perspective of that belief, from the perspective of their scriptures, they are not being hypocritical. Wether you accept that view or I accept that view or anyone else who isn't theistic accepts that view is completely irrelevant.

 

You making the accusation that they are hypocrites is incorrect, because from their perspective, from the perspective of their books, they are not.

 

How many times do I need to say it before you understand it? You are imprinting your belief onto them, so your argument is wrong.

 

Your only argument against this is that their belief and their scriptures are irrelevant, which is a bizarre statement to make when you are calling them hypocritical, they can only be hypocritical if they are contradicting those scriptures and that belief, they are not.

 

You are taking photos with the lense cap on and are refusing to accept it.

 

I think you and Mr Smith are talking at cross purposes and probably have a different idea of what hypocrisy means. I would probably use the term cognitive dissonance if I was arguing from Mr Smith's position.

[MrSmith]

No- I can see why you are dragging this so far. You simply cannot comprehend it.

 

I can condemn the action of anyone if I feel it was wrong- whether that person is of any faith or no faith. It does not mean God made them do it- that is akin to saying that your child ends up being a serial killer or thug- do the victims blame you as the parent as it was you who created that child with your partner?

 

If God is all powerful and knows everything then he knew it would happen and had the power to prevent it, if God was the creator, God is responsible. If God chose to allow it to happen it must have been God will, by condemning it and praising God you are being hypocritical. Praising and loving God in the knowledge that God allows these bad thing to happen is hypocritical.

I feel sure if someone you loved was killed and a police offer had the power to prevent it, but chose to stand by and watch instead, you would condemn both the murder and the police office.

 

I certainly would, and I defiantly wouldn’t congratulate the police offer for all is good work.

 

that your child ends up being a serial killer or thug- do the victims blame you as the parent as it was you who created that child with your partner?

 

I think If couple had a premonition and knew with absolute certainty that the child they are about to conceive with become a mass murderer, they would probably prevent its conception.

Edited April 22, 2012 by MrSmith

[quisquose]

I certainly would, and I defiantly wouldn’t congratulate the police offer for all is good work.

 

I am sorry for the loss of your loved one MrSmith, but surely you must realise that their death was just a test and by standing by and doing nothing I was simply showing that I loved him.

[MrSmith]

I think you and Mr Smith are talking at cross purposes and probably have a different idea of what hypocrisy means. I would probably use the term cognitive dissonance if I was arguing from Mr Smith's position.

 

I would say that they have a belief that God is good, all knowing and can do anything, but by choosing to ignore the bad that God caused during the creation of everything, and only condemning the created, makes them hypocrites.

 

Would I be a hypocrite if I condemned the actions of someone whilst praising someone else for the same actions?

 

You made me look up the defintion and I think I'm using it correctly.

[six45ive]

I would say that they have a belief that God is good, all knowing and can do anything, but by choosing to ignore the bad that God caused during the creation of everything, and only condemning the created, makes them hypocrites.

 

Would I be a hypocrite if I condemned the actions of someone whilst praising someone else for the same actions?

 

You made me look up the defintion and I think I'm using it correctly.

 

I'm pretty much behind what you're saying but I tend to use the term hypocrisy where there's some clear dishonesty in what a person is saying and they don't actually believe it themselves and that their actions clearly contradict what they're saying.

I think Palirichard's argument is that a lot of religious people do actually honestly believe in what they're espousing even though, to the rest of us, it's impossible to hold two contradictory positions. I admit, it does make them look hypocritical on the face of it but for me there has to be some clear dishonesty there and a willingness and foresight to deceive.