Evidence Bombs were planted beneath trains on 7/7

[Tony 10]

I mean terror drill on the same day as bombings

9/11 war games involving hijacked planes flying into US landmarks

 

What correlation do you see between events?

[Tony 10]

Are there not several million CCTV cameras in London, the most surveyed city in the world

 

This article is a bit dated (August of 2009) but it states there are over 4 MILLION CCTV security cameras in Great Britain:-

 

Which is it?

 

Obviously you are an American (do you have a passport?) but surely you realise that London is different to the UK and that the UK is different to Great Britain?

[dosxuk 10]

Yes they are. The mechanism is a closed circuit television camera (CCTV). The purpose of the camera is SECURITY (thus the debate about security vs. privacy).

 

While the majority of cameras in the UK are installed for security purposes, these are installed in private shops and homes. Of the remainder, virtually all of them installed in public spaces where large numbers of people are expected were installed for the purposes of crowd management. Any security purposes are secondary to that.

 

The cameras installed on underground station platforms for example are not there to record would be bombers, they are there to allow the driver to see if anybody is trapped in the doors before departing. The cameras covering the UK motorway network are not there to record the movements of suspected criminals, they're there to allow the Highway Authority to monitor traffic levels and incidents.

 

CCTV for security in the UK is used primarily as a deterrent rather than an all seeing big brother. The number of real CCTV cameras recording constantly is far outweighed by the number of broken, fake and non-recording CCTV cameras.

Edited April 1, 2011 by dosxuk

[truthlogic 10]

While the majority of cameras in the UK are installed for security purposes, these are installed in private shops and homes. Of the remainder, virtually all of them installed in public spaces where large numbers of people are expected were installed for the purposes of crowd management. Any security purposes are secondary to that.

 

The cameras installed on underground station platforms for example are not there to record would be bombers, they are there to allow the driver to see if anybody is trapped in the doors before departing. The cameras covering the UK motorway network are not there to monitor the movements of suspected criminals, they're there to allow the Highway Authority to monitor traffic levels and incidents.

 

CCTV for security in the UK is used primarily as a deterrent rather than an all seeing big brother. The number of real CCTV cameras recording constantly is far outweighed by the number of broken, fake and non-recording CCTV cameras.

 

 

 

so the london underground cctv system does NOT record

 

is that what you are spouting?

[RobFr 10]

Which is it?

 

Obviously you are an American (do you have a passport?) but surely you realise that London is different to the UK and that the UK is different to Great Britain?

 

 

Number of CCTV Cameras in London

 

http://www.numberof.net/number-of-cctv-cameras-in-london/

 

How many CCTV cameras are there in London?

 

Around 2 million.

 

There are about 2 million closed-circuit television cameras, or CCTVs, in London. This is according to a January 5, 2010 news report published in the Telegraph U.K. The report further estimates that there are about 4 million CCTVs in the entire U.K. It is also estimated that 200 million pounds have been spent so far on CCTVs.

 

So to correct a previous statement, several million covers Great Britain, of which about 2 million are reportedly in London at the time of this report last year.

 

And yet somehow, when it really counted, there were ZERO CCTV images of the 4 alleged suicide bombers getting on the tube trains or the No. 30 bus that they supposedly blew up.

 

Where is the evidence in support of the government's official cover-story?

 

--NO CCTV footage of any of the 4 alleged suicide bombers purchasing tickets at Luton station

 

--NO CCTV footage of any of the 4 alleged suicide bombers boarding the train at Luton station

 

--NO witnesses claiming to have seen the 4 alleged suicide bombers on the 7:24am train at Luton BEFORE the government changed its official conspiracy theory from the 4 having caught the non-existent 7:40am train to them catching the 7:24am train

 

--NO CCTV footage of any of the 4 alleged suicide bombers boarding any of the tube trains they supposedly blew up

 

--NO CCTV footage of any of the 4 alleged suicide bombers boarding the No. 30 bus they supposedly blew up

 

--NO reliable witnesses that place any of the 4 alleged suicide bombers on any of the tube trains they supposedly blew up

 

--NO reliable witnesses that place any of the 4 alleged suicide bombers on the No. 30 bus they supposedly blew up

 

So we are to believe that these 4 alleged suicide bombers just happened to choose "precisely" the same scenario that Peter Power and his firm Visor Consultants chose for their mock terrorists drill on the same day, at the same time and at the same tube train locations? Remember the odds of the drill and attack coinciding is One chance in 3,715,592,613,265,750,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000. And these odds don't take into account compounding from the other terror drills, including "Operation Hanover" that were conducted just prior:-

 

 

From the inquest:-

http://7julyinquests.independent.gov.uk/hearing_transcripts/10022011am.htm

 

The Inquest hears about the Met’s terror drill called, ‘Hanover’ (July 1-2, 2005)

 

Q. We know from the documents which have been disclosed to us in these proceedings, and indeed which are in the public domain, that on 1 and 2 July 2005, Metropolitan Police officers from your Anti-terrorist Branch conducted a table-top training exercise which had at its core an attack on the London Underground.

 

A. (Assistant Commissioner Christopher Allison) ..in the presentations I’ve given about 7/7, that extensive training programme which I think stood us in extremely good stead on 7 July. All the people responding knew each other, trusted each other. There were plans in place that we’d exercised and we knew whether they were going to work or not.

 

Q. Thank you for that. The exercise itself, as I understand it, envisaged simultaneous bomb attacks on trains, Waterloo, Embankment and St James’s Underground stations. Again, so there’s absolute clarity about this, this was nothing more than a coincidence, there was no intelligence to suggest that attacks of that nature were about to take place?

 

A. That’s entirely correct, sir. (Feb 1, am, 53 – 54)

 

So the Inquest heard about three simultaneous underground bomb attacks that were rehearsed in a police terror drill less than one week before the three simultaneous underground bomb attacks ACTUALLY took place, on 7/7/2005.

 

No wonder they had De Boer set up the triage clinics the day before (6th of July 2005) the 7/7/2005 London bombings actually took place.

 

Add to this the amazing story that the 4 alleged suicide bombers somehow made it from outside Luton station to the platform in 93 seconds on 7/7/2005:-

 

http://terroronthetube.co.uk/inquest-articles/77-inquest-government-offers-new-still-unbelievable-version-of-the-train-times-timeline/

 

07.21.54 Enter Luton, 07.22.43 Go through barriers, 07.23.27 On platform.

 

...when it took them 5 minutes to do the same during the dry run on 28/6/2005...

 

08.10.07 Enter Luton station (and buy tickets), 08.14.26 Go through barriers, 08.15.07 Enter platform

 

Not to mention the difficulty with them appearing in the only working camera at Thameslink King Cross at 8:26am.

 

But despite these astronomical odds and in the face of a complete lack of any concrete evidence people desperately cling to the official government conspiracy theory which doesn't have a prayer of being true.

Edited April 1, 2011 by RobFr

[Longcol 610]

Number of CCTV Cameras in London

 

http://www.numberof.net/number-of-cctv-cameras-in-london/

 

How many CCTV cameras are there in London?

 

Around 2 million.

 

There are about 2 million closed-circuit television cameras, or CCTVs, in London. This is according to a January 5, 2010 news report published in the Telegraph U.K. The report further estimates that there are about 4 million CCTVs in the entire U.K. It is also estimated that 200 million pounds have been spent so far on CCTVs.

 

So to correct a previous statement, several million covers Great Britain, of which about 2 million are reportedly in London at the time of this report last year.

 

And yet somehow, when it really counted, there were ZERO CCTV images of the 4 alleged suicide bombers getting on the tube trains or the No. 30 bus that they supposedly blew up.

 

Where is the evidence in support of the government's official cover-story?

 

--NO CCTV footage of any of the 4 alleged suicide bombers purchasing tickets at Luton station

 

--NO CCTV footage of any of the 4 alleged suicide bombers boarding the train at Luton station

 

--NO witnesses claiming to have seen the 4 alleged suicide bombers on the 7:24am train at Luton BEFORE the government changed its official conspiracy theory from the 4 having caught the non-existent 7:40am train to them catching the 7:24am train

 

--NO CCTV footage of any of the 4 alleged suicide bombers boarding any of the tube trains they supposedly blew up

 

--NO CCTV footage of any of the 4 alleged suicide bombers boarding the No. 30 bus they supposedly blew up

 

--NO reliable witnesses that place any of the 4 alleged suicide bombers on any of the tube trains they supposedly blew up

 

--NO reliable witnesses that place any of the 4 alleged suicide bombers on the No. 30 bus they supposedly blew up

 

 

 

Seeing as CCTV is hardly intended to capture images for identification (as we have explained ad naseum) it's hardly likely they'd be captured on CCTV more than a handful of times at best. You expecting a step by step movie or something?

 

Why do you expect witnesses from the trains / bus - the most reliable witnesses will be dead.

 

Daniel Biddle is AFAIK the only survivor to have seen a bomber.

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/nov/08/7-7-inquest-terrorist-detonated-bomb

 

Do people on public transport take that much notice of who is in the same carriage - I'd be hard pushed to identify anyone who was on the tube the times I used it at the back end of last year - or anyone on the bus back from town last week for that matter.

[Longcol 610]

From the inquest:-

http://7julyinquests.independent.gov.uk/hearing_transcripts/10022011am.htm

 

The Inquest hears about the Met’s terror drill called, ‘Hanover’ (July 1-2, 2005)

 

Q. We know from the documents which have been disclosed to us in these proceedings, and indeed which are in the public domain, that on 1 and 2 July 2005, Metropolitan Police officers from your Anti-terrorist Branch conducted a table-top training exercise which had at its core an attack on the London Underground.

 

A. (Assistant Commissioner Christopher Allison) ..in the presentations I’ve given about 7/7, that extensive training programme which I think stood us in extremely good stead on 7 July. All the people responding knew each other, trusted each other. There were plans in place that we’d exercised and we knew whether they were going to work or not.

 

Q. Thank you for that. The exercise itself, as I understand it, envisaged simultaneous bomb attacks on trains, Waterloo, Embankment and St James’s Underground stations. Again, so there’s absolute clarity about this, this was nothing more than a coincidence, there was no intelligence to suggest that attacks of that nature were about to take place?

 

A. That’s entirely correct, sir. (Feb 1, am, 53 – 54)

 

So the Inquest heard about three simultaneous underground bomb attacks that were rehearsed in a police terror drill less than one week before the three simultaneous underground bomb attacks ACTUALLY took place, on 7/7/2005.

 

 

 

 

Desktop exercises of that nature will happen on a regular basis in a city the size of London, either by security services, emergency services, private companies, government departments.

 

It has been subject to terrorist attack and large scale emergencies before 7/7.

[Longcol 610]

Add to this the amazing story that the 4 alleged suicide bombers somehow made it from outside Luton station to the platform in 93 seconds on 7/7/2005:-

 

http://terroronthetube.co.uk/inquest-articles/77-inquest-government-offers-new-still-unbelievable-version-of-the-train-times-timeline/

 

07.21.54 Enter Luton, 07.22.43 Go through barriers, 07.23.27 On platform.

 

...when it took them 5 minutes to do the same during the dry run on 28/6/2005...

 

08.10.07 Enter Luton station (and buy tickets), 08.14.26 Go through barriers, 08.15.07 Enter platform

 

Not to mention the difficulty with them appearing in the only working camera at Thameslink King Cross at 8:26am.

 

 

Why would they have had to be on the platform at Luton at that time when the train didn't leave until 7:25.

 

The had more than the 93 seconds quoted - approx double - to walk about 50 yards and negotiate a couple of small flights of stairs.

 

Quite easily do-able - and do able in 90 seconds for that matter.

Edited April 1, 2011 by Longcol

[Tony 10]

Are there not several million CCTV cameras in London, the most surveyed city in the world

 

This article is a bit dated (August of 2009) but it states there are over 4 MILLION CCTV security cameras in Great Britain:-

 

Which is it?

 

Obviously you are an American (do you have a passport?) but surely you realise that London is different to the UK and that the UK is different to Great Britain?

 

Number of CCTV Cameras in London

 

http://www.numberof.net/number-of-cctv-cameras-in-london/

 

How many CCTV cameras are there in London?

 

Around 2 million.

 

There are about 2 million closed-circuit television cameras, or CCTVs, in London. This is according to a January 5, 2010 news report published in the Telegraph U.K. The report further estimates that there are about 4 million CCTVs in the entire U.K. It is also estimated that 200 million pounds have been spent so far on CCTVs.

 

So to correct a previous statement, several million covers Great Britain, of which about 2 million are reportedly in London at the time of this report last year.

We can add the English language as a problem for you as well as mathematics and geography.

 

 

 

 

How were you at sport?

[RobFr 10]

Daniel Biddle is AFAIK the only survivor to have seen a bomber.

 

And we know Danny Biddle is not a reliable witness. The nature of his injuries should explain why his quoted accounts conflict with each other and with the accounts of other people:-

 

 

http://www.julyseventh.co.uk/7-7-edgware-road-paddington.html#dannybiddle

 

Danny Biddle

 

Danny Biddle is the only survivor and eye-witness to claim that he actually saw Mohammed Sidique Khan implying that he saw Khan detonate a bomb. In fact, what he claims to have seen is someone he believes to be Khan reaching into something that Biddle describes as a 'main bag'. In the only image ever released purporting to show the four men accused of perpetrating the attacks, taken from outside Luton station 30 miles from the scenes of the crimes, there is no evidence of Khan or any of the men carrying anything that could be 'described' as a "main bag" in addition to their rucksacks. If Khan was carrying a 'main bag' then that raises further questions about where en route from Luton to London he obtained such an item.

 

Unfortunately Mr Biddle, who survived with appalling injuries, has made a number of varying claims about his alleged sighting of Khan and it is difficult to know if any of his accounts are a true recollection of what happened. Further, the severity of the injuries he received and the severe trauma that he experienced are factors that are generally recognised and widely accepted to have a direct impact on a person's ability to accurately remember, recall and recount details of a incident.

 

 

 

So we're back to zero credible witnesses.

 

 

No reliable witnesses saw any backpacks, any Muslims or any Muslims carrying backpacks on any of the tube trains or on the No. 30 bus. Not even Danny Biddle who described Khan as "a youngish-looking Asian guy sitting on the empty seat next to me."

 

 

No witnesses, no CCTV security camera footage of any of the 4 alleged suicide bombers getting on any of the tube trains or the No. 30 bus, unbelievable train times, sequences of truly unbelievable "coincidences" all explained away by the frightened and brainwashed who believe any lie their government feeds them.

 

No evidence to support the official government conspiracy theory. Only innuendos and a trial by media of 4 young Muslims who are INNOCENT.

[Longcol 610]

And we know Danny Biddle is not a reliable witness. The nature of his injuries should explain why his quoted accounts conflict with each other and with the accounts of other people:-

 

 

http://www.julyseventh.co.uk/7-7-edgware-road-paddington.html#dannybiddle

 

Danny Biddle

 

Danny Biddle is the only survivor and eye-witness to claim that he actually saw Mohammed Sidique Khan implying that he saw Khan detonate a bomb. In fact, what he claims to have seen is someone he believes to be Khan reaching into something that Biddle describes as a 'main bag'. In the only image ever released purporting to show the four men accused of perpetrating the attacks, taken from outside Luton station 30 miles from the scenes of the crimes, there is no evidence of Khan or any of the men carrying anything that could be 'described' as a "main bag" in addition to their rucksacks. If Khan was carrying a 'main bag' then that raises further questions about where en route from Luton to London he obtained such an item.

 

Unfortunately Mr Biddle, who survived with appalling injuries, has made a number of varying claims about his alleged sighting of Khan and it is difficult to know if any of his accounts are a true recollection of what happened. Further, the severity of the injuries he received and the severe trauma that he experienced are factors that are generally recognised and widely accepted to have a direct impact on a person's ability to accurately remember, recall and recount details of a incident.

 

 

 

So we're back to zero credible witnesses.

 

 

No reliable witnesses saw any backpacks, any Muslims or any Muslims carrying backpacks on any of the tube trains or on the No. 30 bus. Not even Danny Biddle who described Khan as "a youngish-looking Asian guy sitting on the empty seat next to me."

 

 

No witnesses, no CCTV security camera footage of any of the 4 alleged suicide bombers getting on any of the tube trains or the No. 30 bus, unbelievable train times, sequences of truly unbelievable "coincidences" all explained away by the frightened and brainwashed who believe any lie their government feeds them.

 

 

Re: "main bag" - from memory one of the four was shown carrying a carrier bag as well as his rucksack at Luton. It could also refer to the main part of the rucksack rather than one of the side pockets. My rucksack has 4 other pockets as well as the main body of the bag.

 

Can we have links to Biddles different accounts and medical references to the supposed "fact" that there is no possibility he couldn't remember seeing a bomber?

 

Again - witnesses close enough to the bombers on the tube / bus are highly likely to be dead.

 

Train times are not unbelievable at all - quite easily do-able.

 

CCTV footage - as already demonstrated it isn't very good at picking out individuals in more than a very small percentage of cases.

[truthlogic 10]

Re: "main bag" - from memory one of the four was shown carrying a carrier bag as well as his rucksack at Luton. It could also refer to the main part of the rucksack rather than one of the side pockets. My rucksack has 4 other pockets as well as the main body of the bag.

 

Can we have links to Biddles different accounts and medical references to the supposed "fact" that there is no possibility he couldn't remember seeing a bomber?

 

Again - witnesses close enough to the bombers on the tube / bus are highly likely to be dead.

 

Train times are not unbelievable at all - quite easily do-able.

 

CCTV footage - as already demonstrated it isn't very good at picking out individuals in more than a very small percentage of cases.

 

so the CCTV did record the bombers but the image was not clear !

 

Is that what you saying now ?