Teabag

I will support our troops by continuing to protest about our continuing war in Afghanistan

You want to support our troops and save lives...protest

I too welcome European cooperation.

Remember its not so much the EEC i had a problem with, its the EU and this Lisbon treaty that people find unpalatable.

The EU is only a childs second step.

You must embrace your fears on this one Aim4...the water looks cold but its fine once you are in;)

Just to add something else

Women are supposed to have a masculine side and men are suppose to have a feminine side. So which side is multi tasking? If you are deficient in that area...which side is letting you down?

Just a thought.....

Women on the whole I find are better multi taskers but then again I prefer a quiet life...Hrrrmmm

The EU can NOT take credit for that! we had 35 years of the 'acceptable' EEC without a continental war.

So spare us the- 'European countries HAVE to be fully immersed in an EU under the terms of the Lisbon treaty, otherwise its WAR WAR WAR!'.

The first 50 years of the Twentieth century were War War War as you call it. Over 30 million Europeans died in all the conflict. Look at how the concept of nationalism and nation states have ravaged Europe in the last century.

The EEC has been going longer than 35 years my friend. The EEC and greater cooperation within Europe has kept the peace, unlike the Twentieth century and yes, the EEC and EU has something to do with that. In large part it can take the credit.

I welcome greater European cooperation. I am a Sheffielder, a Yorkshireman, British and a European and proud of it. I can only see greater cooperation with democratically elected assemblies, plus local governance adding to Europes well being and security.

A world Govt is a dream but what a dream to have ...surely a better one than a vision looking back to some mythical golden age. We must learn from the past and move forward or we are condemned to repeat the past.

No need to google as i'm well aware of the Civil war, they fought for what they got, perhaps it may take another one here to get our liberty's back eventually,

and like another poster has said is your google on the blink.

Retep are you posting from inside the crocodile?

I would rather be governed by the EU than any major UK political party.

 

Hopefully a continental, and eventually world government can become a reality.

 

Together we can do more.

Heartily agree and not forgetting that Europe has not been involved in a major continental war...the EEC and the EU can take some credit for that

Just look at the terrble history of Europe in the 20th century...is that what we want to return to?

72 or 73...you lost then and you will lose gain at any ballot box on the question

Now why is that so difficult to understand

How about getting with the programme and addressing the isse in the thread

Your arguments and your website signature remind me of that Japanese soldier stranded on that Pacific island still fighting the second world war 30 years after it had finished

Move on man

Fail. People in Britain had a referendum in 1973 on our membership of the EEC, not the EU.

Your lot camapigned in 72 and lost. The govts that signed the EU charter went into democratic national elections with that printed in their mainfesto. Your lot lost

Your fighting irrelevant battles, over issues that were resolved over 30 years ago.

The South lost the Civil War and are to my knowledge still part of the US union.

You are a political luddite. The debate has moved on

You arguments are irrelevant and on this issue so is Benn but everyone knows his views have been for the large part out of date for last 30 years

No you are trying to use that as a cover for you being wrong, I told you that you could use google to find other examples and even gave you a link to one, there are plenty of examples out there of what the US think of the EU.

 

You were trying to make out that the EU was a good thing and you gave the US as an example, A totally different kettle of fish as i would think union wasn't forced upon them in the underhand way that it is being forced on the people of the UK.

I think you will find that in America they fought a Civil War over the issue of the union in the 1870s. Perhaps you could google that.

This country, voted for EU membership in a democratic national referendum in 1972, perhaps that is another one to google.

Perhaps now you could address the real question posed in the title of this thread.

I will of course give you plenty of time to google your response:hihi:

a lot of decent players have tried and failed in the management game, even Bobby charlton and bobby Moore tried it at one stage and failed miserably. Barnes was a great club player but apart from that goal against brazil, can anyone remember any other good games he played for england.................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................me neither

Yes, that goal. I think most footballers could hang up their boots after scoring a goal away in Brazil with a 40 yard run and beating 5 to 6 players along the way:)

How many full games did Barnes start? Dont think he was ever given the role he had for Liverpool the way he was asked to play for England. There were too many people sat on the sidelines waiting for him to fail and he was a footballer who was under enormous pressure due to the expectations raised by that wonder goal

I remmber that he came on late in the quarters in Mexico and turned the game our way second half. He put the ball on a plate for an equalizer for Linekar and he failed to convert due to some world class defending

Management is tough and getting the sack goes with the territory

If I could criticise anything about Barnes it would have to be his dress sense not his record for club or country

The history books will tell us in years to come, what an important player he was in the Britsh game

Getting back to the question

Think Tony is wrong on this question and I have a lot of admiration for Tony on many points

The problem is that GB has probably missed the boat on the Euro. We should have gone in when the other countries changed.

Last year I went over to Ireland and the changes there have been terrific and most of the positive changes are due to EU money and the Euro has not ended democracy or any other bogeyman scares that surround any national change.

The Euro has and will always be a political decision not an economic one. Economically we are stuck with sterling, mostly because of the prevailing attitudes at the top very much like the attitudes of the people who have posted on this thread...posters to the left and right of the political spectrum.

Once again we are stuck in the past and because of the recession and the looming prospect of a Tory Govt...the question will not be raised for another 4 to 5 years.

Great shame

Hes a nonce. I dont care what hes famous for. Now hell be famous for being a nonce.

I thought he was more famous for his wife being murdered by Charlie Mansons gang

He was guilty of the crime but the teenager and family involved wants the case dropped.

Perhaps the best thing would be to ban him from the US and leave it there?

not quite ,gen. roberts gave them a good hiding in kabul during the second afghan wars in the late 1800's

one battle does not make a war

The Afghans have eventually kicked the arses of every colonial power in the last 200 years

There was a report in the Times last year. It was a report from a young army captain who detailed how the Afghans were fighting a successful guerilla war. Hitting the British and then blending into the civilian population. The war was 360 degrees and they were struggling and complaining of lack of equipment etc

The report was written in the 1890s

There are plenty of recent Soviet memoirs that tell the same story

The place is a hole and we should seriously get out of the place. If training camps start back up ....send some Tomahawk missiles in

All these people defending the women are the reason why the police are slack on the scum that roam our streets, just incase it upsets you do-gooders!

 

She was in his face and was told to go away, she failed to do so and force was used.

 

I'm with the police 100% on this.

You fail to grasp that this is now a legal case. It is a case of criminal law.

I have nver heard the CPS being referred to as -do gooders- before:hihi:

No one is above the law. No one.

The police are public servants, there to uphold the law on our behalf. Not the police-s behalf.

This was a peaceful protest. The policeman in question was not severely provoked or more importantly defending himself from attack.

You have the right to protest. It is one of our democratic rights.

No one has the right to baton you in the face, even if you have been asked to move back. This is assault. Please think through the logic of your argument

Next time your in the supermarket and the assistant asks you to step back and then battons you in the face....I may guess that you would expect that assistant to be prosecuted for assault.

Treat others as you would want to be treated.

This is now a matter for the courts and a jury will decide the policemans fate based upon the rule of law

donate your £10.00 to a local charity, and post the reciept.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

wasnt the smartest post bet ever was it? LOL.

Better still...post the tenner to Alison and her campaign for justice

She was a mouthy little madam who was in the wrong from the word go.

 

She was told to go away by an authority figure and failed to do so.

With the quality of these arguments, the copper could be looking at life:hihi:

How are those million contributing to the economy? It's tax that's paying their wages?

 

I'm not saying I agree with the point above, but surely you understand that civil servants are a net drain on the economy?

Police, fire, civil servants, politicians, teachers, nurses, doctors, council employees, all govt posts...the list could take me all night. Are all these net drains on the economy? They are paid for by national or local taxation

What do all these people do with their wages? What do they do with their taxes? What happens to their pension contributions? Do any of these people buy food, pay rent, pay mortgages, pay utility bills, purchase electrical goods, pay for sporting and leisure service?

Do they save money in banks? Do they buy shares? Sorry the list again is endless

Read a basic economics textbook

These people are not wired up properly surely? She was told to move away, she didn't, then she was shoved away, she still didn't move, then she was slapped, she still didn't move back, so she got what was coming. Common sense isn't it?

 

People push and shove and F and blind at a bunch of coppers and wonder why they get smacked in the face. Then the idiots blame the police.

The policeman charged can of course try use this as part of his defence statement in court...

"M-lord, she didnt move out of the way and therefore I slapped her, common sense init"

BromideBill you would make an excellent witness for the prosecution

The officer was doing his job.

Didnt they use that line at Nuremberg...la...la....la...la

I expect they could shed up to a million, bureaucratic, non-jobs created by the Tax-and-Squander Party, AKA Nu Labour.

So that is one million on to the unemployment register overnight.

One million not contributing tax to the economy overnight

One million claiming housing and unemployment benefits overnight

One million, plus partners and siblings, equates to 2 to 3 million who have limited purchasing power to buy goods and services which our economy relies upon

Then add on mortgage repossessions, marriage break ups, various social breakdowns, less contributions in other indirect taxation and you have the recipe for more economic misfortune....tell you what...the last person out, switch the light off:hihi:

Teabag you could have saved yourself a lot of work and just typed…. business as usual.

...have to agree with you Malky:(

Where they, I find most Tories on here somewhat reluctant to tell us what they want which isn't what I want from a potential government.

 

Perhaps you could tell us what these Tories will be bring us if elected.

They will bring us massive cuts in public spending, tax breaks for the rich...top rate of tax, inheritance tax, corporation tax ......a fiscal policy that will make the pips squeak for the poor.

Unemployment already rising will get higher but the chances of claiming benefit will of course be curtailed. At the same time, they will personally blame you for being unemployed and up that stigma level to the max

They will cut back at all times social benefits and make it harder to claim disability. You nasty wheelchair people etc will just have to try harder and suffer more

They will cut back on the civil service but create more private quangos with no local or national accountability.

They will accelerate privatisation of health care and tell us we cannot keep throwing money at the problem. Parts of the service, free of charge will go and be replaced by insurance schemes or bled dry of funds that will force people to go private. They will give big tax breaks to people who take up private insurance.

I predict a free fall economy within a year of them taking office...but we will be told it is harsh but necessary medicine

If you have a mortgage...better protect now, if you have the chance of getting a fixed rate mortgage:hihi:. Interest rates will double within a year and with the credit crunch, repossessions will hit an all time high. They will of course blame you for living beyond your means, although they were the party that originally promoted house ownership in the eighties.

They will be vague on Europe...booing and hissing on the sidelines...signing up to economic packages and backsliding on the social contract side. We will stagnate in relation to Europe ...they still cannot get their heads round Europe. We will not join the Euro under a Tory Govt. Save the pound anyone?

They will of course, like Labour follow the Americans blindly in Afghanistan, where of course we will continue to get our arses kicked.

They will give more economic freedom to individual schools in order to discriminate and create further social barriers in education. They will periodically bash teachers and blame them for all societies ills. They will of course change massive amounts of the curriculum unecessarily and chicken out from changing A levels. They will starve higher ed of funds and there will be massive rises in student fees.

Periodically, they will target minority groups and doubt their loyalty to the country. They will attack single parents and teenage mothers and of course blame them for all socities ills. They will persists with the idea that society began to disintegrate due to the 1960-s. They will detain more asylum seekers but pursue the same previous policy because they realise that a non unionised and cheap workforce is good for their economy.

They will increase the pay of the police and pay nurses, teachers and the fireservice less. Funny...the Tories hate the fireservice. They will give more draconian powers to the police as have labour and there will be riots but it will be the fault of the -enemy within-

..but inflation will fall

I wish Labour had a different policy but alas no

From what I could hear the first thing the woman in question said was "how dare you, I’m a woman" .. frankly is she is prepared to act like an idiot she deserves to be treated like one.

Luckily, the CPS take a different point of view:)

Pleased Alison will have her day in court unlike Ian Tomlinson

Tripe and dripping.

Tea time at our house could resemble a scene from ...I didnt know you cared

I heard that...pardon

Corks...you are a star