bobbie

There is only one downside to this idea.

1) presumably it would be the less educated/wasters "send em awl bak gavner" members of our society that would do the cashing in......

2) the imigrants go back home

3) The chavs - now have to do the work that the migrants did.

Its a non starter

Me and my girlfriend are looking into joining a gym together, she has no previous experience of being a member to a gym, whereas I was a member of the gym based at the college I used to attend, we were wondering where is best for value for money and best facilities?

Probably SIV (ponds forge, hillsborough and concord). i just created another thread to make sure the classes were not to be cancelled.

we don't know what they are, no one has claimed to know. But don't let that stop you, me I prefer to find out the facts first. If they are just jobs paid badly evryone will leave but they will leave with a bit of experience and hopefully a reference and they are better than being on the dole.

Agreed outright with what you say.

I just object to the term apprenticeship when it clearly isn't one.

Take a plumber, a trainee may earn the minimum wage - an apprentice traineed one will earn 3 times that.

A supermarket shelf stacker, a trainee will earn the minimum wage, a fully trained one will also earn the minimum wage

Has the time come to cut the overseas aid budget outright?

In my mind if countrys from the 3rd world wish to spend money on weapons to create civil wars and kill one another, then they should pay for it and not expect the UK to contribute another penny towards their own orgy of death and destruction. The money should not go on corrupt dictators who make themselves rich, who in turn let their countrymen starve.

Lets be right if the UK was hit by a massive earthquake or devastating floods, could we rely on countries like India to help us out - no, it will be an I'm alright Jack attitude

With that money, we could develop an industry in this country, create jobs for all. Sell our goods to the world, create proper wealth creating industries that pay proper wages for our workforce, and get ourself out of the up and coming economic nightmare.

looking at changing gyms, anyone know if the venues at SIV will be retaining their fitness classes?

Don't want to get tied up to a contract and they pull the classes.

Seen on another thread the creche is shutting

I remember the 1980s, going into the castle market and was a haven of activity, I remember going to one of the fishmongers and nippling on a king prawn, or some cockles.

Shame the place has gone downhill

The other danger that I would add by doing this, is the following.

Shelf Stacking is a low skilled job, thats a fact - hence the reason the pay is not great. Our economy is mainly low skilled work (fast food, retail etc...)

Whats to say that more apprenticeships won't be rolled out to other areas of work, rather than paying people the minmum wage to do the job?

Fact is - these are not apprenticeships, no way in this world or the next.

They are a cheaper way of filling jobs - that is true.

I do agree that its better to do something, than wait for your dole pay cheque at the end of the week and be kept by the taxpayer.

But lets at least be honest and call these jobs what they actually are, and not pretend that they are an apprenticesip in any way shape of form

The conservatives are back in and job losses are rampant. Yet again, like before the conservatives get in and people lose their jobs.

Its like the 1980s/1990s all over again, people are out on the streets, people are protesting.

In the 1980s the miners rioted while drinking a cup of bovril to keep warm and in 2010, protesters keep warm with gingerbread latte from Starbucks.

Is it the same old nasty torys, or are the torys simply dealing with the mess left by new labour?

Its like this, if you have a pet dog and the dog has two food bowls.

You fill the 1st food bowl with dog food, and the 2nd bowl with budgie seed, I can guarantee that most dogs will choose the 1st bowl. Why does the dog choose the 1st bowl ?

The dog in this case has a choice.

You compare this to what youngsters face today, there are no apprenticeships and as such we have to give fancy names to jobs that are clearly unskilled - the young today have no choice

40 or 50 years ago, if you said to a youngster I will give you a choice "an apprenticeship to learn a trade such as plumbing, or an apprenticeship to learn a trade such as shelf stacking" - most youngsters would choose the skilled trade to do a 4 year apprenticeship in.

40 years ago we were more honest, I accept its not easy shelf stacking however its definatly not a skilled trade like plumbing? why ? because a skilled shelf stacker will be lucky to earn £7 an hour tops, whereas a skilled plumber could probably name his price.

I guess if the youngsters of today had a choice - many would opt for a skilled trade

i know its wrong but its not just me, lots of people play the system, i know asians who have 50 house by renting to 'low income relative' etc, i am not putting up with it anymore until the system is sorted, I am renting a flat off my ex and council is willing to pay the rent, my retire parents are renting off her as well, worst thing is it is all legal, she is getting a few house pay off by other people tax

Well theres no wonder many businesses are fiddling their books to avoid paying the correct amount of tax

Temp work

Part time work - zero hours contracts

All introduced by new labour

Indeed, hire and fire at will. This government is intent on removing any form of stability in most peoples' lives, to be replaced with constant uncertainty and anxiety.

That was introduced by New Labour.

Come on, place the blame where its due.

Its pretty wrong though danny11, people who don't work who are better off than those who work their fingers to the bone

Which legislation introduced sabbaticals, the ability to employ workers without contracts and several months of paternity leave?

Don't know who brought it in, but many people enjoyed certain perks of their jobs thanks to flexible workers who didn't enjoy job security

Under New Labour, flexible working patterns were fantastic for some people, perhaps not great for others.

Thanks to flexible working, we could employ people without contracts, or people who were on a never ending cycle of temporary work. Part time work created various shift patterns, as opposed to full time work.

Offices employed students, who often disapeared only to be replaced by another employee on a temporary contract, who was then replaced by another worker on a temporary contract.

Thanks to flexible working, people in permanent work were able to enjoy sabaticals, enjoy perks such as maternity time off and even paternity. No matter what was wanted a temporary worker was able to fill the gaps for a few months.

Now during the recession, I'm guessing many who enjoyed the benefits of having endless temporary workers (often public sector) are now not so keen on the idea of flexible working patterns, especially as they potentially are likely to be losing their jobs when the axe falls.

Will these people be expecting a stable, long term full time job, or will they themselves be happy to take temporary work, will they be happy to pay their bills with an 8 hour a week job?

Sometimes you have to be careful what you wish for - I think very soon, many people will regret the introdution of the flexible labour market

Are you over the age of 30?

If so, being over 30 will help you with this particular problem, in fact you'll have all on keeping your weight off

Any ideas how we can stop the budgie from pooping on our guests?

We bought him a couple of weeks ago, but he lacks social skills. Although friendly with guests he does poop on them, indeed he was sat on my uncles head and then let rip :gag: dirty little git.

Can budgies be trained not to do this, any tips would be helpful

I think the passengers are also in desperate need of a wash too.

NOt making judgements though

Yeah yeah!! Excuses excuses!

Unless you are self employed and can control your life, are you 100% certain your life won't be turned upsidedown at any point?

If you are employed by a company, I'd start to say your prayers and hope this economic nightmare passes you by

So come one lads, put the boot on the other foot. If you had a never ending supply of women wanting a date, how would you judge the women?

In the next 12 months we will see different kinds of people.

1) people at the bottom of the wage scale, drowning

2) People who have enjoyed secure incomes for many years falling prey to circumstances beyond their control

3) people with secure jobs, decent wages saying "well you know we are all in this together - or theres loads of jobs out there"

I am self employed, so up to a point can control my destiny. If you are employed, your destiny is controlled by outside factors

Its not a case of mocking, more stating the obvious

Don't mistake what a woman tells you for what she actually means.:hihi:

Hit the nail on the head.

Think about your pet dog - if it wants something to eat, it eats food. If the dog does not want something to eat, it doesn't eat food.

Its the same on internet websites

But this is assuming women go on looks (like men), which they dont primarily.

 

Ask any woman what she finds attractive in a man, its usually 1) sense of humour 2) confidence 3) status 4) good looking, in that order.

 

So even if your average looking, if you can subcommunicate these qualities in your profile your onto a winner.

Is that true? if so people on this thread claim women are doing it for attention