MC/DOJO Martial arts

[ceej 10]

Keen

[Crayfish 10]

I saw an 11 year old performing in a thing organised by playstation in manchester Piccadilly gardens called 'monkey moves'.

 

Don't know what belts he had but he definitely deserved them, awesome bo staff work and kung fu tricks (e.g. back somersault while running forwards). I was involved in a teaching session they put on, tried to learn one of the 'simpler' flashy kicks (720 jumping spinning crescent) and failed miserably.

 

Suppose what I'm getting at is that if dedicated enough, a high level of ability can be reached at a reasonably young age.

[Crayfish 10]

Disagree that training with contact is bad though. It's possible to train quite high contact without really damaging anyone, provided conditioning and skill levels are high enough. Not that you'd want to do it all the time...

 

Don't think anyone really trains at 100% contact and aggression. One of my favourite drills is to train vale tudo with about 40-50% striking contact, enough to know you've been hit but it lets you flow and work technique. When we train at 80+% contact it's more realistic and gives a feel of the pressure of a real fight, but wouldn't want to do too often - 15 minutes every few sessions is enough to remind you of your vulnerabilities.

[DaFoot 10]

I'm looking forward to this one. Get ready for world war 3

 

Duck and cover!

[chefkicker 11]

MasterJ

Your post is far too long, even your sentence structure is a bit longer than normal but never mind. I will attempt to read it and adress your points one by one.

 

1.Quote" Ha ah chefkicker, an 11 year old not having the 'power', correct mindset and maturity!!!!!! My son has trained since he was five years old and has been graded for his 3rd dan by Grand Master Liversidge from Canada. He was the highest scorer on the day and was grading with five adults, two of whome were also grading for their 3rd dan."

 

Good for him , who is Master Liversidge ? Not that it matters. I stand by what I said. I dont believe an 11 year old should be allowed to hold a 3rd dan. To me a 3rd dan is an instructor with more than a decade of experience in both training and teaching as well as having contributed to the sport. i.e. in refereeing, judging, promoting , grading examinations etc.

Just to be given a 3rd dan because they can do a few flips and twirl a staff around and have a "perfect side kick" etc,... No wonder people from Boxing , Muay thai and MMA mock the grading system so much.

 

 

 

 

2. To have the right 'power'....power for what?

 

A 3rd Dan should be able to defend themselves against a fully grown adult. I honestly cant see an 11 year old doing that.

Martial arts are for self defence ultimately. An art is only as good as its level of applicability.

 

3. "He did his grading impecably and his attitude is to all martial arts is second to none. Having won his first British Title at full contact TKD Sparring at the age of 7 and also winning the team Bo Staff competition on his first attempt, i'm affraid it is I who disagree with you this time."

 

Good for him. Well done again.

 

 

4. " And offering to show his worth in the ring, just to prove a point to you he is worthy...well chefkicker, you must only judge how good your students are by how many times they knock each other out?????"

 

You do advertise what you do as "kickboxing" wether "korean " or otherwise. Generally in kickboxing , you are judged by your achievements or your skill in the ring in actual competition.

A "good kickboxer" is one who competes and does well wether win , lose or draw.

I have not competed in the ring since the year 2005 , so I wont begin to consider myself to be a "good kickboxer" even though I have not lost since 2003

 

By the way "kiddies matches" on my fight nights are generally Light continuous not Full contact so no worries there.

 

 

 

5." Just how good is your Insurance? To train to purposely hurt others is against all Insurance policies. So we all must train in a controlled manner, mixing light contact with controlled contact to full body armour contact. "

 

My insurance covers full contact and thai boxing as well as light continuous. My full contact shows are insured too by the way. Full contact is not really that scary by the way, if people are trained and conditioned correctly then it is not a problem.

 

I do agree with training in a controlled manner and believe it or not that is what we do, ask any of my fighters.

 

 

6. " Yep we have it all covered here. Multi styled and multi skilled. Blinkers removed and seeing others as equals and not below us.

Wave masters are only to be used by kids!!!!! OH dear chefkicker, you have not obviously seen a modern dojang for some time, we have moved on from the darkened seventies my friend, most academies have both hanging bags and freestanding ones, becasuse we can actually teach multi-styles martial arts incorperating diffent techniques for all. The freestanding ones are more expensive and have its advantages and disadvantages, but advantages out way the dis-advantages big time. Wake up to the new millenium and move forward with your eyes open."

 

 

 

 

I have seen a modern Dojang "kim Stones Black Belt academy"

 

As for multi style and multi skilled , isnt everyone these days?

 

7. " There is more to life out here than just 'real kickboxing' which by the way is actually 'American Kickboxing'."

 

Sorry to disapoint you but american kickboxing is what we refer to as "shiny pants " kickboxing

 

Yes there are other styles such as K-1 style kickboxing, Thai-kickboxing, Low kick kickboxing, Light continuous kickboxing and Sanshou.

[yorkie030 10]

[Carcass 10]

Now that you've both set out your stalls, can you just agree to disagree rather than have this thread go the way of so many others before?

[chefkicker 11]

 

Hi yorkie,

You may think im being and it must also drive you

but you must remember that your chief instructor Master Jessop's post was just as as mine was.

 

We have different approaches to training thats all. I still think your cool though.

[Master_J 10]

Not to carry this episode on for longer than needed, but what you can not seem to grasp is so easily black and white. You personally have got to admit to yourself and learn to live with the fact there are different Ma's out there and there is going to be some people with a higher grade than you, no matter what style or age...accept this without your blinkered views.

A 3rd dan should be able to defend him/self against an adult??????

Way off the mark there again,

Grand Master Liversidge to you by the way, is the one the most senior ranked officials in ITF TKD in the world and has graded his last 3 Dans in front of Koreas great Masters, and he will admit it him self, is no spring chicken now.(sorry GM Liversidge)

Your integritiy comes to question everytime you post a thread here claimimg that your training is the greatest and all other styles are not recognised by you or given the respect.

This generally comes from what I have been known to call, 'WEEKEND WARRIORS '. people who get their so called instructorship from weekend seminars and claim to know it all, surley this is not you ....is it? Hmm I wonder. It makes my 3 year studying and training, winning the British Championship, Irish Championships, AMA Champion, Yorkshire Champion and representing my country numerous amounts of time worthless then doesn't it? All that and still not an instructor until granted my Instructorship by my mentors and Grand Masters.

Well there it is, my CV for you to dismiss and not recognise.

We will surelyhave another 'discussion' again some time.

Teach well and train hard, and ........no this is not the time or place, I will save this one for later.

[chefkicker 11]

Or Castle Black Belt

 

Isnt that an unfair statement? Castle Black belt is taught by Ross Pettifer who is a former champion Cage fighter. It is unlikely that a club would be a McDojo with such high pedigree of instructor.

Im imagining that it would be nigh on impossible.

[chefkicker 11]

Not to carry this episode on for longer than needed, but what you can not seem to grasp is so easily black and white. You personally have got to admit to yourself and learn to live with the fact there are different Ma's out there and there is going to be some people with a higher grade than you, no matter what style or age...accept this without your blinkered views.

A 3rd dan should be able to defend him/self against an adult??????

Way off the mark there again,

Grand Master Liversidge to you by the way, is the one the most senior ranked officials in ITF TKD in the world and has graded his last 3 Dans in front of Koreas great Masters, and he will admit it him self, is no spring chicken now.(sorry GM Liversidge)

Your integritiy comes to question everytime you post a thread here claimimg that your training is the greatest and all other styles are not recognised by you or given the respect.

This generally comes from what I have been known to call, 'WEEKEND WARRIORS '. people who get their so called instructorship from weekend seminars and claim to know it all, surley this is not you ....is it? Hmm I wonder. It makes my 3 year studying and training, winning the British Championship, Irish Championships, AMA Champion, Yorkshire Champion and representing my country numerous amounts of time worthless then doesn't it? All that and still not an instructor until granted my Instructorship by my mentors and Grand Masters.

Well there it is, my CV for you to dismiss and not recognise.

We will surelyhave another 'discussion' again some time.

Teach well and train hard, and ........no this is not the time or place, I will save this one for later.

 

No offence masterJ but you going off like that are not doing yourself OR your club any favours. What is the average punter off the street going to think when logging onto this forum?

"oh dear, these martial arts instructors are always arguing with each other NOT a good pastime for little johnny who needs someone decent to take example from."

 

Now the training methods etc I recommend,advocate or speak in favour of are MY opinions and 9 times out of 10 they are in the context on kickboxing.

It is very rare that I will give an opinion on Judo or Karate as they are not my specialist subject. However my opinions based around kickboxing ARE my specialist subject.

 

I have had a conversation with my "sheikh" (spiritual guide) on various aspects of martial arts training partially in relation to what I have spoken about on here.

 

OK the following topics , you can agree with what the hell you want or disagree with what the hell you want.

 

1.Use of the word master.

In the old english school system, the maths master = the head of maths, the science master= the head of science,...in thaiboxing they call the head trainer "Arjarn" which means master anyway.

If people want to do it then let them.

 

2.Uniforms=

Karate/Judo generally use a white uniform

Kung Fu use a black uniform

Olympic boxing use red Gloves/headguard/shorts,..etc for Red corner and the same for Blue corner

Wear what the hell you want , makes no difference.

We at AFK have Black or Navy Blue T shirts! Some of the girls have got pink gloves/pink handwraps.

Again no big deal

 

3.Training equipment.Again up to you , some people use thaipads, some people use focus mitts, some people just work on bags like boxers.

WTF Taekwondo use the kicking paddles. Some dojos use the wavemaster or freestanding bags some self defence based styles use a rubber man called Bob.

Again use what ever suits you.

 

4. Black belts.

Different people have different syllabuses. Someone once said that "side kick" should be included in the first grading but I dont insert it till the 2nd Grading.

It all depends on what you see a Black belt to denote.

To me the Black Belt is a large responsibility to confer upon someone. It is like conferring onto someone the title of "jedi knight"!

I personally dont think an 11 year old should be a 3rd dan. What happens if they pack it all in once they discover girls and going out? Are they going to sit there with a pint in their hands when theyre like 18 or 19 saying "oh i was a Black belt 3rd dan when i was 11" . Do you see where im coming from?

 

I never claimed that kickboxing was better than everything else. Personally I dont really care what goes on in most martial arts. Most martial arts are not what I focus on or pay attention to.

That does not mean that I dont respect other styles just that Im focused on my own style thats all.

Occasionally I take a small interest in other systems but that is all.

 

By the looks of things it seems that you dismiss anyone whose opinions you dont agree with.

Is that so? Do you not realise that we live in a world where freedom of thought, belief , expression and speech are a RIGHT.

As such I have exercised my rights to believe what I believe. If you want to believe what you believe what you do then good luck to you.

You enjoy your Taekwondo and I will enjoy my kickboxing.

THE END.

[chefkicker 11]

Hi yorkie,

You may think im being and it must also drive you

but you must remember that your chief instructor Master Jessop's post was just as as mine was.

 

We have different approaches to training thats all. I still think your cool though.

 

Hey Yorkie,

This thread is getting more and more by the hour. Isnt it a pity that people cant be more chilled about everything the way people like ourselves are. Theres loads of people I disagree with no need to fall out over it.