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The fact that they are parked both sides of the road isn't illegal unless they are contravening a parking restriction. The rest of the street is all terraced housing and there are lots of multiple occupancy houses, which again contribute to the parking problems. Car ownership levels are increasing all the time. Those flats have been there a while now and I don't think they are the sole cause of the problems. School Rd is like many others in Crookes.

 

Is parking on the pavement illegal? That is what happens on this section of School Road on most evenings and weekends. If the cars parked on the road on both sides, there would be no room to drive down the road; it is difficult enough even with the pavement parking. It only happens in the immediate vicinity of the apartments and started when they were first occupied. QED.

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Broomhall, Broomhill and Sharrow Vale haven't died so I can't see why Hillsboro would. Can't you see that facillitating more parking turnover near the shops would help them?

 

Nothing is a done deal until the Councillors say it is. The officers will bring forward proposals and make recommendations, the Councillors will decide. If you don't like proposals, let your Councillors know.

 

Broomhall, Broomhill and Sharrow Vale haven't got a tram gate either, and as far as I'm aware Broomhall doesn't have a shopping centre in the first place. It's just a question of how many more obstacles you want to put in place to prevent people getting anywhere near Hillsborough before they give up completely (as many have already judging from the recent thread about whether Hillsborough had got better or worse over the last five years).

 

We have just seen again that there is no point objecting - the number of objections received in the Crookesmoor scheme is more than the expressions of support, but they'll be disregarded, and everyone who doesn't object will be counted as being in favour. The council can always count on people's apathy to push these things through.

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Is parking on the pavement illegal? That is what happens on this section of School Road on most evenings and weekends. If the cars parked on the road on both sides, there would be no room to drive down the road; it is difficult enough even with the pavement parking. It only happens in the immediate vicinity of the apartments and started when they were first occupied. QED.

 

It may be, but try getting the police to enforce on it (The Council can't). If you want parking restrictions, tell the Council.

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The daytime "car parking" problems in the Crookesmoor area are due entirely the short-sighted and misguided policies of Sheffield Labour Party. Nothing more - nothing less!. The sooner they actually go out and listen to local people and not party members in the Crookesmoor area, they may, just may, get a better understanding of the problem!

 

Relying on the misinformed opinions of council officers is not the way to formulate policy

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Broomhall, Broomhill and Sharrow Vale haven't got a tram gate either, and as far as I'm aware Broomhall doesn't have a shopping centre in the first place. It's just a question of how many more obstacles you want to put in place to prevent people getting anywhere near Hillsborough before they give up completely (as many have already judging from the recent thread about whether Hillsborough had got better or worse over the last five years).

 

We have just seen again that there is no point objecting - the number of objections received in the Crookesmoor scheme is more than the expressions of support, but they'll be disregarded, and everyone who doesn't object will be counted as being in favour. The council can always count on people's apathy to push these things through.

 

Broomhall occupies one side of Ecclesall Rd - doesn't that count as a shopping centre?

 

A parking scheme doesn't stop people getting to Hillsborough, however, it WILL help them find a space to park in though. All the other schemes include short stay limited waiting in the shopping areas, which is positioned after discussion with businesses. In other areas businesses have said that the new arrangements are helpful and their customers can now park. How is any of this going to cause the death of Hillsboro, (which has been talked about ever since supertram went through there, but hasn't happened yet).

 

So, if there's no point in objecting, why have the Council changed the days of operation in Crookesmoor? Because people objected. Why are they proposing to reconsult in some of the area, because people objected. Why have there been many many other small changes designed to help local people, because they objected. Theere are numerous similar examples from the other schemes. No point in objecting? Absolutely not true!

 

Most of the people who object to these schemes are objecting to small elements of them. If you look at the detail of the report and see how many people were objecting to having a scheme at all, you'll see it was very few. Of the sixty odd objections, a substantial number have already been satisfied by the changes already being proposed. Look at the detail and stop knocking the Council just for the sake of it.

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The daytime "car parking" problems in the Crookesmoor area are due entirely the short-sighted and misguided policies of Sheffield Labour Party. Nothing more - nothing less!. The sooner they actually go out and listen to local people and not party members in the Crookesmoor area, they may, just may, get a better understanding of the problem!

 

Relying on the misinformed opinions of council officers is not the way to formulate policy

 

This is nothing to do with party politics. Myself and current Council Officers never ask people which party they support when they write, ring and email asking for residents parking in Crookesmoor.

 

The Council officers do go out and listen to local people, (who have been asking for this scheme for years), that's why there been lots of changes to the proposals, to accommodate local people's views.

 

The Council officers understand the problems in the area very well and have done a lot of survey work to see exactly where and what the real problems are.

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A parking scheme doesn't stop people getting to Hillsborough, however, it WILL help them find a space to park in though. All the other schemes include short stay limited waiting in the shopping areas, which is positioned after discussion with businesses. In other areas businesses have said that the new arrangements are helpful and their customers can now park. How is any of this going to cause the death of Hillsboro, (which has been talked about ever since supertram went through there, but hasn't happened yet).

 

 

But it's already been established on a different thread that there's never any problem finding somewhere to park in Hillsborough, with the possible exception of match days. The problem is getting to the parking spaces: people are put off by the various one ways, restrictions, tramgates etc. that they don't bother coming in the first place. Hillsborough isn't like the other areas on your list, it doesn't suffer with parking by commuters, which is presumably why it isn't part of the PPZ.

 

So what will change... the council will make lots more money, that's what will change. Hard not to be cynical really.

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The illegal parking at the top end of School Road is appalling and is a consequence of building apartments with too few parking spaces. The council have a very bad policy towards this and have recently allowed the development of new apartments on Northumberland Road with fewer parking spaces than the number of apartments. This is going to make a mess of the new PPZ as surely as the School Road development has to that part of Crookes. Many apartments will have two cars and now that each apartment can apply for two permits, there will be substantial extra demand for the available spaces for residents. Similarly, the University Law Department is expected to be redeveloped into apartments in the next couple of years. What is going to be done about parking there?

 

Having made some enquiries, I'm advised that the Northumberland Rd flats have almost 1 parking space per flat and they won't be able to appply for permits. I also understand that the Law Dept. building is being retained by the university at the moment. So no problems should arise!

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So what will change... the council will make lots more money, that's what will change. Hard not to be cynical really.

 

In Crookesmoor, the Council distributed about 1000 leaflets to properties, of these, only 20 or so people had anything to say about paying for a permit. The Council were very up-front about the revenue which would be generated from this. You can only conclude that most people don't mind that they make money from permits.

 

The surplus is put back into the highways budget, so it means they can deliver more each year.

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This is nothing to do with party politics. Myself and current Council Officers never ask people which party they support when they write, ring and email asking for residents parking in Crookesmoor.

 

The Council officers do go out and listen to local people, (who have been asking for this scheme for years), that's why there been lots of changes to the proposals, to accommodate local people's views.

 

The Council officers understand the problems in the area very well and have done a lot of survey work to see exactly where and what the real problems are.

 

I am sorry but I lived in the Crookesmoor for nearly 30 years and never once has a Labour Party member never mind Councillor asked for my views. This current "proposal" was announced through an anonymous Council letter through the letter box in September and a note on a lamp-post.

 

Like many other "consultations" no-one has contacted me or the other five adjacent households on this matter (or any other in the last 30 years)

 

As for the phrase "This is nothing to do with party politics" then what is it.

Who is formulating the policy - the Sheffield Labour Party or the unelected Council officers

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I am sorry but I lived in the Crookesmoor for nearly 30 years and never once has a Labour Party member never mind Councillor asked for my views. This current "proposal" was announced through an anonymous Council letter through the letter box in September and a note on a lamp-post.

 

Like many other "consultations" no-one has contacted me or the other five adjacent households on this matter (or any other in the last 30 years)

 

As for the phrase "This is nothing to do with party politics" then what is it.

Who is formulating the policy - the Sheffield Labour Party or the unelected Council officers

 

Have you not noticed that Councillors on your side of the city are predominantly Lib-Dem?

 

In the consultations, they send you a letter, no-one contacts you personally. This is standard practice throughout the country. There are Area Panel meetings you can go to if you want to raise issues or you can contact your Councillor.

 

They do far more consultation than the statutory minimum, which is just to put a notice in the newspaper.

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In Crookesmoor, the Council distributed about 1000 leaflets to properties, of these, only 20 or so people had anything to say about paying for a permit. The Council were very up-front about the revenue which would be generated from this. You can only conclude that most people don't mind that they make money from permits.

 

The surplus is put back into the highways budget, so it means they can deliver more each year.

 

No they weren't. Councillor Lodge still maintains that the resident's permits are needed as oart of the revenue stream - this is blatantly not true - a surplus of ~£90k from Crookesmoor and over £700K from Sharrowvale testifies to this.

 

The council claims that people who benefit should pay for the added services thay are getting - what about the people who have been (and who will be) disadvantaged?

 

There is at least one post on the Sharrowvale thread showing how one shopkeeper is being put out of business - no compensation offering there - this council is all about take, take, take.

 

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Use your vote - contact your councillor and get them to register your dissatisfaction with this scheme.

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