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Can someone give me a good reason why we shouldn't remove Saddam from power?

[richard 10]

The fear is that the war orphans of today are the terrorists of tommorrow, so getting rid of Sadam by was is bad. Of course this doesn't hold if the method of killing Saddam is deviod of civilian casualties. Im still struggling to decide wether to support the war myself.

[nomme 10]

Originally posted by "richard"

 

The fear is that the war orphans of today are the terrorists of tommorrow, so getting rid of Sadam by was is bad. Of course this doesn't hold if the method of killing Saddam is deviod of civilian casualties. Im still struggling to decide wether to support the war myself.

 

You're not the only one.

See http://www.guardian.co.uk/antiwar/story/0,12809,895575,00.html

 

regards

Nomme

[JR 10]

If I was Sadam I would not have let Tony Benn Within 1000 miles of me, History proves who ever he sides with loses example CND, miners, don`t think he has ever won one yet.

[DerekH 10]

Originally posted by Moon Maiden

You can talk about being the better man all you like when we have a country full of muslim fanatics wishing to sell your daughters because it will become the first religion of the UK.

Or better still - you stand up for your rights - as you take your right to speak out against war now - but the taliban is ruling now so you and your family and all associated heretics are murdered.

 

Like me - who lost relatives during WWI & II. Had family in the Falkslands and who did frequent tours of Ireland, not to mention my uncle who served during the gulf war and who will put his arse back on the line again in this war flying over enemy territory.

 

Do not preach to me about lost soldiers - I am the child of a long line of soldiers, sailors and Air Force personel and I can love & light it as good as the next person - I just happen to live in this reality and not the one in your head.

 

Why don't you just spit in the face of every serviceman and woman in the British Isles and have done with it - they didn't join up to play mickey mouse and have tea parties - they joined to protect this country and us in peacetime and in war. The vast majority of them will be fully trained and prepared for war - unlike some recruits in the Falklands and WW1 & 2.

 

War is not pretty is not nice but if it means I don't have to walk round speaking in a foreign language and i am as free as I am now to practise the religion I wish to - then lets kick their arses please.

 

You can sign your petitions and make your marches it is your right. But you are not going to convince me that there is a peaceful solution to a madman and religious fantatics.

 

Moon Maiden

 

Here Here!! The anti war demonstrators are the type of people that would sit back and allow the country to be taken over.

In effect they are mostly cowards.

 

I wish that they did have conscription....it builds character, alas the way things are going with cut backs, the forces will have to fight with slingshots and baseball bats.

[evildrneil 14]

Originally posted by Guest

Can someone give me a good reason why we shouldn't remove Saddam from power?

 

How about - because the stated reason for attack (i.e. weapons of mass destruction ready to go in 45 minutes) is false?

[Phanerothyme 12]

Originally posted by DerekH

Here Here!! The anti war demonstrators are the type of people that would sit back and allow the country to be taken over.

 

How did you work that out?

 

What makes someone who protests against their government joining an illegal invasion of a sovereign state (in contradiction of all known norms and laws of international behaviour), the same as someone who would do nothing to fight an invasion of their own sovereign state.

 

Where is the link, the corollary, the correlation?

 

I'd ask the nurse to let you have a crayon or something safe; at least then you could make notes.

[Moon Maiden 10]

Originally posted by evildrneil

How about - because the stated reason for attack (i.e. weapons of mass destruction ready to go in 45 minutes) is false?

 

How about because the man gassed his own people...Whilst I can now accept that the likely hood of them invading Brtiain by force was a no no - i cannot in all conscience accept that it was right to allow the people of Halabja to die at the hands of their own sovereign ruler.

Just as it wasn't right to allow the Jews and other peoples the Nazi's didn't like the look of to be gased in their millions during WWII.

 

Granted the government didn't have to lie to get the country to stand up and do help during WWII - but what the hades does that say about the rest of you now?

That our government has to lie and threatens our own lands with invasion or destruction to get people to care about their follow man?? Because such attrocities as carried out by Saddam were made public BEFORE 9/11 and this war - and where were your do gooder protesters then, fighting for the rights of civllians? Eh? Where were they?

 

This is a subject I have gone over many times from all angles with all faiths religions and creeds - and since the whole mess started not ONE of you has given me a reason not to remove saddam from power...still waiting...I won't hold me breath...

 

Moon Maiden

[evildrneil 14]

Originally posted by Moon Maiden

How about because the man gassed his own people...Whilst I can now accept that the likely hood of them invading Brtiain by force was a no no - i cannot in all conscience accept that it was right to allow the people of Halabja to die at the hands of their own sovereign ruler.

Just as it wasn't right to allow the Jews and other peoples the Nazi's didn't like the look of to be gased in their millions during WWII.

 

Who supplied him with the gas / chemicals and know how to use it? Oh yes it was the Wast wasn't it when they wanted a bulwark against Iraq. If were going to turn this into some moral crusade when are we going to liberate the lands taken by Israel and still held in contravention of numerous UN resolutions (http://www.middleeastnews.com/unresolutionslist.html)? But no they are still the single largest recipient of US foreign aid - oh and by the way actually do have WMD. When are we going to speak out agains the US holding people without trial in Guantanamo Bay and using torture - oh sorry these are our allies 'forcefull persuasion techniques'. What about massacres and mass rapes in Sudan? Gennocide in Rwanda? In communicado detentions and torture in Saudi (indidently where our good friend Bin Laden comes from) - but no Saudi is too politically usefull so we can't do anything there.

 

No I'm not trying to claim Sadam is an angel is human form, but there are plent of regiemes out there at least as opressive as his but are hapilly ignored by the West - makes rather a mockery of any claimed moral reasons doesn't it?

 

[/b]This is a subject I have gone over many times from all angles with all faiths religions and creeds - and since the whole mess started not ONE of you has given me a reason not to remove saddam from power...still waiting...I won't hold me breath.[/b]

 

Because (as Phanerothyme pointed out) he was the leader of a sovereign state and invasion of the country was of very dubious legality and morality. Look at things from the point of view of someon living in the Middle East - the US and allies support a country which invades you and dispossess you, then if other countries don't play ball will happily invade them without UN backing under the thinist most obvious pretext, kill thousands of civilians and impose a government of their own choosing. Claiming this will stop Islamic Extremists is like claiming that kicking a wasps nest is a good way to avoid getting stung...

[Ned Ludd 10]

Originally posted by Moon Maiden

HBecause such attrocities as carried out by Saddam were made public BEFORE 9/11 and this war - and where were your do gooder protesters then, fighting for the rights of civllians? Eh? Where were they?

The people that highlighted this act at the time were groups like Amnesty and various socialist parties who you appear to despise. Our (US/UK) Governments said nothing because they a) supplied the raw materials for these atrocities b) considered it acceptable collateral damage in the war against Iran. The above mentioned groups pointed this out at the time. People like you obviously choose not to remember this

 

Originally posted by Moon Maiden

This is a subject I have gone over many times from all angles with all faiths religions and creeds - and since the whole mess started not ONE of you has given me a reason not to remove saddam from power...still waiting...I won't hold me breath...

Because we bombed a country back to the Dark Ages and killed more civilians in 12 months than Sadaam had in the previous 7 years. Because the justification was all lies. Because the real reason was the ideology of a few right wing Christian fundamentalists. Because we've ignored worst than Sadaam many times in the past 30 years. Because the moral justification is just as much tosh as WMD. proof that UK Governments lack any morality can be seen in the example of Douglas Hurd sending the SAS to train Pol Pots' Khmer Rouge..a group that murdered 6 million fellow countrymen,women,children. What was the glorious moral imperative for our Government and armed forces for this wonderful episode? Obviously not enough in the way of bones lying about in the Cambodian countryside? (Please don't say Blair's different to Thatcher, he's not, he's a war criminal)

 

And to put right something someone said earlier: Tony Benn was in the RAF in WW11, as I seem to remember

[Rich 12]

I remember both my Brother and my Dad getting a similar lettet to that back when teh first Gulf War was on.

 

in teh small print at the bottom it said "World War III - Sponsored by Mars, the official chocolate bar of the Allied Forces"

 

BWAHAHA!

 

I didn't know it at the time, but now it dawns on me that it was probably fake, cos it went on about watching John Wayne movies to get the "feel" of war and all that

[Abdul 10]

Originally posted by DerekH

Here Here!! The anti war demonstrators are the type of people that would sit back and allow the country to be taken over.

In effect they are mostly cowards.

 

So not like the heroic George Bush junior then? The same who was cowardly enough to go AWOL from the armed forces, but brave enough to send YOUR sons and daughters to die in the deserts of the Middle East.

 

Or is the dirty little secret you don't wish to discuss?