Sheffield Community Health shamed on hygiene

[anabella]

I've seen kids on wards that behave better than the adults, including in a safer manner to all concerned, so treating them differently to adults, is unfair. As for the patient across the ward, if the hospital could not provide him with the dignity of his own room for him and his family, if he was dying, that is a true shame and my sympathies lie with the patient and the family, but I'm sure this situation must arise day in and day out on wards and it's not up to others to suffer, compromises have to be reached. Kids have rights too - especially the right not to be tarred with the same brush. If adults let the kids behave inappropriately, the adults should be told, let's not take it out on all kids, it doesn't help anyone. As for sitting in the day room, the ones I have seen are absolutely filthy and smell - they get cleaned and looked after even less than the wards - I wouldn't like children to have to sit in them.

 

Obviously someone who thinks they know a lot about hospitals, but doesn't.

 

It is a hospital, and not appropriate for kids. Obviously, families needs have to be considered, but the patients needs come first. Ill people need quiet, not noisy kids.We don't treat kids, just adults, and those adults that don't like kids also have rights.

It would be perfect to always put dying patients in a single room, but there are only 4- 2 had patients dying also, and the other 2 had infected patients, so we have to do our best. That means, putting the patient first and removing the kids from the room.

Our day room is clean and comfortable, has a tv, dvd and kids toys in it.

Perhaps you had better just accept that boundaries have to be set, otherwise people just take the p***. It is a hospital for sick adults and we are trying to set guidelines for a cleaner hospital. That means adopting clear defined policies, that everyone has to adhere to.

 

Back on topic-as there are so many different areas in the community, I imagine it can be quite difficult to have the same standard across the board. Anyone from community out there who knows?

[scoop]

Obviously someone who thinks they know a lot about hospitals, but doesn't.

 

It is a hospital, and not appropriate for kids. Obviously, families needs have to be considered, but the patients needs come first. Ill people need quiet, not noisy kids.We don't treat kids, just adults, and those adults that don't like kids also have rights.

It would be perfect to always put dying patients in a single room, but there are only 4- 2 had patients dying also, and the other 2 had infected patients, so we have to do our best. That means, putting the patient first and removing the kids from the room.

Our day room is clean and comfortable, has a tv, dvd and kids toys in it.

Perhaps you had better just accept that boundaries have to be set, otherwise people just take the p***. It is a hospital for sick adults and we are trying to set guidelines for a cleaner hospital. That means adopting clear defined policies, that everyone has to adhere to.

 

Back on topic-as there are so many different areas in the community, I imagine it can be quite difficult to have the same standard across the board. Anyone from community out there who knows?

 

When I was ten years old, my dad was admitted to the hallamshire for tests. He was pretty ill at the time, though no one knew what was wrong with him.

 

He was in hospital for a good couple of weeks.

 

At the time there was a blanket ban on children under twelve visiting, I had to be snuck in and had been taught to lie about my age if questioned about it by the staff.

 

Do you think it right that me and my Dad were banned from seeing each other? He was too ill to sit in a day room to see me, so that wouldn't have been an option.

 

My Dad died during that hospital stay, and if it had been down to people like you I wouldn't have seen him for the last two weeks of his life .

[gnomi]

Pleased to see the title has been corrected - thanks mods !

 

sorry to be pedantic,but the title of this thread is still wrong. It is the sheffield primary care trust (PCT) NOT community health.

 

I work for Sheffield Care Trust(previously Community Health Sheffield.) and we are very different to the sheffield PCT.

 

So,the title should read;-

 

Sheffield Primary Care Trust shamed on hygiene.

 

Thanks :)

[anabella]

When I was ten years old, my dad was admitted to the hallamshire for tests. He was pretty ill at the time, though no one knew what was wrong with him.

 

He was in hospital for a good couple of weeks.

 

At the time there was a blanket ban on children under twelve visiting, I had to be snuck in and had been taught to lie about my age if questioned about it by the staff.

 

Do you think it right that me and my Dad were banned from seeing each other? He was too ill to sit in a day room to see me, so that wouldn't have been an option.

 

My Dad died during that hospital stay, and if it had been down to people like you I wouldn't have seen him for the last two weeks of his life .

 

That's a sad story, and I feel sorry for you. That is exactly why I said families have to be considered. If that was the situation on my ward, I would allow the family to stay all day in a quieter part of the ward , so i'm afraid it's people like me who would have made it easier for you to see your dad.

My original point was how it is difficult to maintain cleanliness when some visitors waltz on ignoring recommendations.

It is unfair you choose to be harsh towards me,as I am doing my job, and was not responsible for the situation with your dad.

All ward sisters have to abide by the new recommendations for infection control, alongside many other difficult roles. We are responsible for the lives of lots of people,and so if the noisy, messy family had discussed their situation with me, we would have made allowances.

I suggest if you and Diva have difficult accepting the visitors code, you write to the chief executive.

Incidentally, most of the public were in favour of the visitors code.

[scoop]

That's a sad story, and I feel sorry for you. That is exactly why I said families have to be considered. If that was the situation on my ward, I would allow the family to stay all day in a quieter part of the ward , so i'm afraid it's people like me who would have made it easier for you to see your dad.

My original point was how it is difficult to maintain cleanliness when some visitors waltz on ignoring recommendations.

It is unfair you choose to be harsh towards me,as I am doing my job, and was not responsible for the situation with your dad.

All ward sisters have to abide by the new recommendations for infection control, alongside many other difficult roles. We are responsible for the lives of lots of people,and so if the noisy, messy family had discussed their situation with me, we would have made allowances.

I suggest if you and Diva have difficult accepting the visitors code, you write to the chief executive.

Incidentally, most of the public were in favour of the visitors code.

 

But no one knew he was dying, he died suddenly and unexpectedly. His illness wasn't diagnosed until after he had died, so my point is that we wouldn't have been afforded the special kind of care afforded to families who are losing their loved ones. Just as visitors to someone who was in hospital for investigations.

 

I'm a nurse myself, I work in paediatric intensive care, and I believe that you have to be flexible to every family and recognise their individual needs as far as visiting go.

 

Whilst appreciate that this may often bring conflict between different families and the needs of the hospital, thats where negotiating skills come in.

 

Blanket rules don't really serve anyone, other than jumped up jobs worths who like to bully people by enforcing them without any consideration for others.

 

Not aiming this at you in particular by the way, just using my experience to highlight the fact that blanket bans on children visiting hospital can be very bad for families (I didn't mean to sound harsh, sorry if thats how it came across.)

[anabella]

I completely agree with you Scoop, and that's why I was saying you have to consider the needs of the family/patient.

In fact, my original post was just stating the number of people with the patient, and there happened to be kids. Diva then picked on this issue, and the rest you know.

As you are a nurse you know what I'm talking about, when you have visitors who don't give a monkeys about anyone else.

I adore kids, and allow them to visit their mums/dads/grandparents/close rels etc. It's the one's who come to see their step mums aunties friend of friend,then crawl around on the floor I'm referring to!!!!!

Anyway, we better get off the topic, we're miles off the thread!!

ps I really admire you for doing that job, that would break my heart.

[zippy]

In this case I'm talking about wrappings related to treatment not lager cans left by scrotes

 

 

and of course the great washed don't mess about with the supplies left in rooms, go bin diving looking for food, needles anything of value...

 

Ah, that's why it took two and a half hours.

 

 

is this referring to medication ?

 

while simple analgesia such as paracetamol, NSAIDs and co-codamol may be able to be adminstered under Patient group driection by Nurses with the approrpaite post basic training andeducation , stronger analgesia becasue oftheway the law is made has to be prescribed by an indepedent prescriber, generally thisis a Doctor or dentist although a small proportion of Post graduate qualified Nurses have undertaken the indepedent prescribing programme, even then drugs which are legally classed as COntrolled drugs are to an extent restricted and additionally are required to be kept securely and have a running balance maintained and, in hospital, adding or removing these drugs from the stoarage location requires the presence of a health Professional one of whom is a first level Registered Nurse ( or a registered midwife) ( the second person may be another Nurses, a midwife, an ODP , Doctor, pharmacist or Paramedic)

 

 

The point is thousands die each year of infections contracted in hospital and thousands more are maimed for life. In this situation stained, grubby drapes and debris on the floor are not re-assuring

 

despite the fact that many of these infections are pre-existing and are either present on or in the patient on admission or are brought into hospital by the great unwashed

[zippy]

I believe it is because The Hallamshire is a " Teaching Hospital".

 

 

All of Sheffield Teaching Hospitals NHS trust's hospital are "teaching hospitals " . "Teaching hospital" status now no longer exists in the way it did in the deep bdark past of the NHS as the vast majority of Hospitals in the UK are teaching hospitals by old measures, havign established posts for Doctors-in-(specialist)training and being used for undergraduate Meidcla student placements , in that they have among their consultant Medicla and Dental Staff peopel who hold University appointments and deliver undergraduate and post graduate education to medical Students and Doctors in training ( unless you only ever see consultants and staff specailists you are being seen by Doctors in training - Hpousee Officers /FY1 s SHOs/FYs / Spr and StR registrars ... )

[zippy]

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The NG A&E was a great deal LESS busy than the Minor Injuries walk-in clinic at the Hallamshire last time I went there (there was just one very quiet elderly couple in the waiting area with us).

 

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becasue many people in Sheffield realise that for minor injuries you are better served by attending the MIU / W-i-C and for certtain people on the southern fringes of the city goingto CNDRH at Calow or Bassetlaw in Worksop as these are less busy

 

the rest of the Emergency department at the NGH would generally as usual be heaving, what you see i nthe waiting room or even i nthe minor injuries area is not representative of the majority of the NGH ( or any other) Emergency department

[DIVA]

Obviously someone who thinks they know a lot about hospitals, but doesn't.

 

Unfortunately for you, there are increasing numbers of patients and relatives who won't be treated like second class citizens, or idiots, and will speak out. Sorry if this annoys you, but get used to it.